Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Central Virginia
The sire (Razor) is linebred 5-5,5,5 on Fero. Champi's 5-6 on Fero. The puppies will be 6,6,6,6-6,7 on Fero. It's far enough back and it's not through just one son of Fero's--so I don't foresee any real issues for this litter because of this linebreeding.
I noted it mostly just to note it--I wouldn't even argue that it means you shouldn't do such a breeding.
It's something I've been thinking about a lot. Most of my current dogs are children or grandchildren of my Nike, who was a Yoschy grand-daughter. She was a very nice working female with a ton of positive qualities. But she is a *small* female--22 inches and 55 pounds in her prime. This small size comes down from Yoschy, I've been told.
And I also didn't like the dogs I saw linebred on Yoschy and Fero 5-10 years ago--they were edgy and sharp in protection work, often hectic with really active grips. (Today's linebred Fero dogs don't seem to have these problems as much, so I guess the successful crosses were the ones we see in pedigrees and the unsuccessful ones were bred for more balance or never bred.)
At any rate, I've wanted to avoid breeding back to Yoschy and have spent a lot of time looking for West German (or Belgian or Dutch) working line dogs that don't have Fero. It's very, very difficult--most dogs now have at least one line back to Fero. The exception being all Czech or all DDR. And the top competition dogs seem have not just Fero, but Yoschy--once, twice or more. Many of the sport dogs (which are the ones that are more visible--if they go to become SAR dogs or working K9s they are often not bred much and not seen by many people) in other countries now have Fero, too--Czech, French, Finnish, etc.
So, this argues that Fero has contributed something hugely important to today's schutzhund dogs. What is it? And what are we getting along with that positive that we don't know about just yet? Fero's becoming almost as big a bottleneck in the working lines as Palme is in the show lines.
So, I wonder--does it even matter if we breed into or away from Fero linebreeding on a dog who is already Fero-bred? What about those few dogs who are Fero-free--should some breeders be making a conscious effort to keep some working/sport bloodlines that are Fero-free?
To get back to this particular decision.... If you love both parents, I think you should like most of the results--I think you'll get "more of the same." If you keep a pup for breeding--what bloodlines do you think you would breed into?
My Bandit pups have been really super--very balanced in drives and sound of mind, high energy but able to settle, good flexibility of purpose and trainability--the oldest just turned 1 year, but they are working in schutzhund, herding, rally, AKC obedience, flyball, and agility. One does school demos with 30-60 children several times a week. The pups need to do *something* but are very capable of doing almost anything.
And it sounds like those people with Ellute kids are huge fans of what he is producing--they seem to mostly have great temperaments, working ability, and good looks to boot.
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