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Old 01-29-2012, 06:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default American blood lines VS. German lines

My attention to this was brought by my fiancee' a native Lithuanian. An article comparing the GSD lines, which she translated for me is below.

I researched a bit more, and I found the articles also mentioned herewith.

Couple that with the AKC dog shows, are we are breeding froggie GSD's with bad hips and absolutely no temperament or protection qualities?

You be the judge!

Vokie?i? aviganiai: veisl?s tipai ir naujos variacijos

JAV vokiečių aviganiai pasižymi silpnu charakteriu ir yra niekam tikę kaip tarnybiniai šunys (išskyrus retas išimtis). Siekiant išgauti „ekstremalų“ VA tipą buvo prarastos tokios savybės kaip ištvermė, geras temperamentas ir darbiniai gebėjimai (vienas kinologas kalbėdamas apie elgseną juos pavadino „šiek tiek maniakais“, kitas teigė, kad amerikiečių ir vokiečių aviganiai – visiškai skirtingos veislės, nes veisiami dėl skirtingų tikslų).

USA German Shepherd Dog has a weak character, and is useless as an official dog (except for rare exceptions). In order to get "extreme" type of VA (VA = GSD) were foregone qualities such as stamina, good temperament and working ability (one dog trainers talking about their behavior as "a little maniacs," (another) one said, that American and German Shepherd - a completely different breed, bred for the different goals).


German Shepherd German lines vs American lines German Shepherds

The American / Canadian shepherds are not required to pass any temperament test, or to do Schutzhund, to undergo the endurance test, to acquire a breed survey or any other requirement. They are not even required to be free of dysplasia. The only registry is the CKC or the AKC, which do not control the quality of the animals being bred. These animals retain a potential for protective behavior and responses, but without the courage, stability and clear headedness to temper their actions. They are often fear-biters, nervous and stressed, showing inappropriate aggressive tendencies. They lack the courage for true protection work, their aggressive behavior being a result of defensiveness and fear for themselves and not an instinct to protect their master. This can be confusing to a novice, but the end result is very different; you cannot count on this type of dog to protect and defend you in a threatening situation.


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German Bloodline dogs vs. American Bloodline dogs
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Many will argue, even with the more stringent requirements to register in germany, that there's a big difference between the german show and working lines too. It's not just a AKC vs SV thing.

There are plenty of poorly bred and registered American and German GSD's. There are also some very good American and German GSD's too.

It's not black and white - European vs American. That's more of a generalization you read on the internet with people stressing the idea of "crippled frog legs = bad and painful" vs "straight backs = good" when really they don't know much about structure to be making comments like that. They're just going on hearsay.
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I am a bit lost here, so crippled frog legs is good?
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I am a bit lost here, so crippled frog legs is good?
No, crippled legs are bad. Not all American GSD's or German shows have crippled legs... just the ones with hip dysplasia. The german working lines get hip dysplasia too.
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I am a bit lost here, so crippled frog legs is good?
Crippled is bad of course, but you're operating under the assumption that:

American = "angled" backs = crippled = bad
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European = "straight" backs = health = good.

It's a big stretch to make.
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Good God......more of this stuff?.....
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Good God......more of this stuff?.....
Here lately there's a new batch every week.
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Good God......more of this stuff?.....
lol, robin. I thought I'd just give the mature and level headed response. It's hard sometimes...
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