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Old 12-17-2011, 11:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Do you "know" this dog?

This male has been bred to one of Zefra's siblings (previous litter) and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about him or his lines?

I am extremely curious!

Also, looking at the pedigrees - what would one expect in terms of temperament, drives, thresholds, nerve, sharpness, etc.. ? I know what to expect from the dams side obviously but when mixing these lines... ?

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Old 12-17-2011, 12:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Very nice!!! I love V. Haus Ming dogs! Plus he is KNVP Met Lof. KNVP is very difficult for German Shepherds to excel at. Met Lof means "with Honors" which means he scored very high. I have a v. haus ming grand son through Maik von der ber burg hinte (Nick H son) and Eika V. haus Ming on the bottom. He is the most stable nerved dog that I have ever seen. Takes any kind of correction in stride. He is a very good barker, naturally protective and is a complete pleasure to train and own.

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My bitch, Nike (Burgos' Unika) is out of Citty vom Haus Ming who is a full sister to Eika. These can be very tough dogs with excellent fight drive especially Iko/Jenni Lindenhalle and the Körbelbachs. Some may not be the easiest dogs to handle and they need to be bred to lines that are more biddable.
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Old 12-18-2011, 12:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I liked the pedigree as well which is why I wanted to see what everyone here thought.

Here is the mating test (with Zefra in replacement of the dam since they are the same and I couldn't link the dams information for some reason!).

Mating test - German Shepherd Dog

These pups are being sold to working homes.

It seems like these pups being produced would be something I was interested in if I was in the market for a pup.

Would love to hear your thoughts (anyones!) on this mating test.
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:57 AM   #5 (permalink)
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so is there any more information on Lubeck ?

A name from the past contacted me today to let me know about his Lubeck son (impressive Met Lof scores) . Lubeck and his dam are both KNPV . http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1933596-northern-k9-crush

I have Blenda Zunderland in many of my lines carrying the same haus Sevens (Blenda's brother also KNPV met lof ) and of course Ina Gard is not bad at all - Ina and Ira already on my pedigrees.

any knowledge appreciated . thanks
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Elizabeth, I hope the female has bombproof nerves and has strong lineage for clear headed working lines. This is not a dog to mix with dogs that are extreme or nervy....as Lisa alluded to.
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Cliff , Elizabeth's is old history. Have a look at the pedigree I provided .

A name from the past contacted me today to let me know about his Lubeck son (impressive Met Lof scores) . Lubeck and his dam are both KNPV . http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1933596-northern-k9-crush

I have Blenda Zunderland in many of my lines carrying the same haus Sevens (Blenda's brother also KNPV met lof ) and of course Ina Gard is not bad at all - Ina and Ira already on my pedigrees.
One pedigree has Blenda twice -- her brother Tarik Zunderland "The pedigree is built on haus Sevens on the sire side. Sevens is a Dutch kennel , KNPV dogs. I had introduced a male into my lines Carmspack Case - German Shepherd Dog not because of his sire , but that was not at all unwelcome , but because of what was on his dam's side -Blenda Zunderland . Blenda's brother from a previous litter was Tarik Zunderland Tarik v Zunderland, KNPV PH1, Met lof, IPO3, a- normal. Tarik is one of of the incredibly rare GSD's to achieve Holland's prestigious KNPV police dog title with a high score of 415 out 460 points. For this level they have to have an exceptional score of 392 or better and demonstrate a full crushing bite .
NOTE: it is extremely rare to see GSD's be trained for KNPV, let alone pass the KNPV Police Dog examination. GSD's are amont the 2 percentile of dogs who qualify for the tough KNPV training and examination .
Later Tarik became a police dog in New Jersey.Tarik has been a Police K9 since 2001 with New Jersey. He has good nerves , is handler hard ( which is NOT handler aggressive ) has a good balance of intense prey, fight, defense, hunt and hardness in all situations.
This balance of being handler hard -- but not handler aggressive is a comment I have come across several times when looking at Zunderland dogs , haus Sevens dogs,

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I have several haus Sevens dogs , Yaga , Randa, Putz running through my pedigrees.

These are dogs that worked, could stand a lot of stress from the job (frustration, opposition, climate , duration) and not fall ill or go sour .

The pedigree is just solid with strong working dogs , strong for the fight , not reactive , not "sporty" in being flashy and reactive .

I like it very very much.

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Carmen and Cliff - I lost touch with the owner of the dam so not sure of the outcome?

Would be interested in knowing more though, when I sought out information on this dog in the past, I really liked what I saw but to be honest, did not do much more investigating or follow the mating.
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Id be interested to know as well. If you read around a bit more you will see some in other places questioning Lubecks production, why he was sold several times etc.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:20 AM   #10 (permalink)
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no , he was sold because you have a show line flowing in the pedigree
VORZUGLICH Chateau von der Mahler-Meister

and there are purists out there who didn't breed to him because of this -- they want full "working" yet did not look to see what the progeny was , how it was built for the next generation.

It gets silly and tiring and boring sometimes .
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