Faked pedigree??

iBaman · 11-28-2011, 02:38 PM

So, before I was all educated and stuff about BYB and puppy stores and all that jazz, I bought Sheldon from a puppy store. He came with pedigree papers for United All breed, but I can't find ANY of his linage online...which makes me think it's faked. This doesn't bother me TOO much, except I have no general idea of how big he's going to get, and I don't know anything about what health or temperament problems he may be prone to. All the vets I've taken him to say his hips are great so far (he'll be 6 months next week), elbows are ok, but he had downed pasterns when we got him (they're up now, but still look a little weak), and all around he's a gorgeous dog...but that doesn't stop me from being a little nervous..

GSDBESTK9 · 11-28-2011, 02:50 PM

Just because you can't find his linage online doesn't mean the pedigree is fake. If he comes from Pet lines, most likely, you won't find the parents or anyone online.

iBaman · 11-28-2011, 02:59 PM

Hmm...that's good to know. Is there anyway of finding them?

GSDBESTK9 · 11-28-2011, 03:17 PM

Not really.

You could try AKC.

bocron · 11-28-2011, 03:44 PM

Can you scan and post the pedigree you did get? It may lead back to some lines that could be traced. However, usually the pedigrees from entities like the one you mentioned are what the puppy millers use and there is no way to check authenticity. There are dozens and dozens of them in North America.
If you got a pup who is overall pretty healthy and has a temperament you can work with and are enjoying then that is no small thing.

iBaman · 11-28-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bocron

Can you scan and post the pedigree you did get? It may lead back to some lines that could be traced. However, usually the pedigrees from entities like the one you mentioned are what the puppy millers use and there is no way to check authenticity. There are dozens and dozens of them in North America.
If you got a pup who is overall pretty healthy and has a temperament you can work with and are enjoying then that is no small thing.

I'll grab my printer tomorrow and post it. I've tried looking up everyone on his pedigree, but no luck. Some of the names don't seem right, either. I dunno, I'm happy about my bubbah, love him to death, which is why I guess I worry about what his health may be when he gets older xP His temperament is decent, we're working on resource guarding and some possible dog aggression (we're not sure what triggers it....can dogs be grouchy from too much play or being too tired?), so I just wanted to see if his parents had some issues like that.

BR870 · 11-28-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

can dogs be grouchy from too much play or being too tired?),

Yes, much like children they can get overstimulated or over tired and this makes them more difficult...

Even if you find the pedigree, chances are it won't include the kind of information you are looking for...

Liesje · 11-28-2011, 04:49 PM

Even if you did find the parents on other pedigrees you likely won't find any info about behavioral or temperament problems unless you can actually speak with the owners/handlers.

Emoore · 11-28-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by iBaman

I'll grab my printer tomorrow and post it. I've tried looking up everyone on his pedigree, but no luck. Some of the names don't seem right, either. I dunno, I'm happy about my bubbah, love him to death, which is why I guess I worry about what his health may be when he gets older xP His temperament is decent, we're working on resource guarding and some possible dog aggression (we're not sure what triggers it....can dogs be grouchy from too much play or being too tired?), so I just wanted to see if his parents had some issues like that.

If you bought your puppy at a pet store, the possibility is very strong that his parents are puppy mill dogs. That would mean that nobody knows about their health or temperament, because they live in cages and don't get training or playtime. For a pet store puppy there's really no information about the parents because they just live in cages and spit out puppies. I'm not saying this to make you feel bad, just to let you know that even if you *could* track down his parents and his breeder, the "breeder" wouldn't know his animals well enough to tell you anything anyway.

iBaman · 11-28-2011, 06:08 PM

That's what I was thinking, Emoore. If I did know who his parents were, or at least who the breeder was, I might be able to find something out. but i'm not worried too much. It was just a thought. Lesson learned, in any case =3

11-28-2011, 02:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
iBaman Master Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Cedar City, UT Posts: 809	Faked pedigree?? So, before I was all educated and stuff about BYB and puppy stores and all that jazz, I bought Sheldon from a puppy store. He came with pedigree papers for United All breed, but I can't find ANY of his linage online...which makes me think it's faked. This doesn't bother me TOO much, except I have no general idea of how big he's going to get, and I don't know anything about what health or temperament problems he may be prone to. All the vets I've taken him to say his hips are great so far (he'll be 6 months next week), elbows are ok, but he had downed pasterns when we got him (they're up now, but still look a little weak), and all around he's a gorgeous dog...but that doesn't stop me from being a little nervous..

11-28-2011, 02:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
GSDBESTK9 Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 28,438	Just because you can't find his linage online doesn't mean the pedigree is fake. If he comes from Pet lines, most likely, you won't find the parents or anyone online. __________________ Carolina Johnson http://www.johnsonhaus.com http://www.carolinak9photography.com

11-28-2011, 03:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
GSDBESTK9 Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 28,438	Not really. You could try AKC. __________________ Carolina Johnson http://www.johnsonhaus.com http://www.carolinak9photography.com

11-28-2011, 03:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
bocron Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Milton, Georgia Posts: 1,458	Can you scan and post the pedigree you did get? It may lead back to some lines that could be traced. However, usually the pedigrees from entities like the one you mentioned are what the puppy millers use and there is no way to check authenticity. There are dozens and dozens of them in North America. If you got a pup who is overall pretty healthy and has a temperament you can work with and are enjoying then that is no small thing. __________________ Annette Holbrook www.coppercreekdvg.com- All Breed Schutzhund Club Home of Umarek von Hugelblick, my good luck charm!

11-28-2011, 04:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
Liesje Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 12,962	Even if you did find the parents on other pedigrees you likely won't find any info about behavioral or temperament problems unless you can actually speak with the owners/handlers. __________________ UCH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop FO OB1 CL1R CL1F RA TT HIT TDI CGC VPC's Coca-Cola HIT CGC SG UCH Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 AD T1 FO PA CL1R UNJ UCA HIT TT CGC OFA SG Pantalaimon vom Geistwasser BH AD HIT CGC

11-28-2011, 02:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
iBaman Master Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Cedar City, UT Posts: 809	Hmm...that's good to know. Is there anyway of finding them?

11-28-2011, 06:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
iBaman Master Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Cedar City, UT Posts: 809	That's what I was thinking, Emoore. If I did know who his parents were, or at least who the breeder was, I might be able to find something out. but i'm not worried too much. It was just a thought. Lesson learned, in any case =3

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