Don vom Clausberg?

Emoore · 11-26-2011, 02:46 PM

Over on the DDR forums I've noticed a couple of people who seem to really dislike Don vom Clausberg, but nobody will say anything negative about him. This is a classy move but makes it hard for the rest of us to learn. I searched the forums on the database as well and didn't come up with anything.

Anybody have any thoughts on Don?

wolfstraum · 11-26-2011, 05:16 PM

there was a littermate here in Western PA - lots and lots of pups from the dog (in a big commercial short lived BY/PM type operation) had bad hips....I seem to remember some similar comments years ago about Don

Lee

PaddyD · 11-26-2011, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emoore

Over on the DDR forums I've noticed a couple of people who seem to really dislike Don vom Clausberg, but nobody will say anything negative about him. This is a classy move but makes it hard for the rest of us to learn. I searched the forums on the database as well and didn't come up with anything.

Anybody have any thoughts on Don?

Since I am not a classy guy I will say something negative.
He's ugly, has a shallow chest, a rounded back and lacks bone.

Emoore · 11-26-2011, 10:22 PM

Okaaaay. . . so why is he so popular?

BlackGSD · 11-26-2011, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PaddyD

Since I am not a classy guy I will say something negative.
He's ugly, has a shallow chest, a rounded back and lacks bone.

That must be why he's V rated in conformation and Kkl1.

carmspack · 11-26-2011, 10:44 PM

Don Clausberg maintains a valuable herding line through Dina Gran Sasso .
Looking at Don progeny I see majority "normal" .
Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

Emoore · 11-26-2011, 10:49 PM

Hmm. . . his ZW score is 82 and his littermates are all in the 80's. That's not too bad. BlackGSD, do you have any opinions on Don?

I've just seen a couple of comments where people said they wouldn't buy or breed to a Don offspring, but can't get anyone to elaborate further.

cliffson1 · 11-27-2011, 08:31 AM

I have never seen any progeny of Don personally, though I agree with Carmen that he possesses a very valuable line through Dina to good herding blood and all the great natural traits that come with these dogs.
But I honestly feel that the DDR lines have been going into decline for the past twenty years. They are still valuable for supplementing a pedigree, especially in health, and some natural traits and instincts, but they have lost a lot of drive vigor, and in some cases the courage is not what it used to be. Not all, but way too many that I see. They need an infusion of different genetics or this trend will continue to occur in my opinion. It is very seldom that you see a DDR dog today that has the balance I would like to see in an utility dog. Now there are some nice DDR/Czech, DDR/Show, and DDR/European working dogs out there. I think this the direction a conscientous DDR breeder has to take. Just my take!

Emoore · 11-27-2011, 10:04 AM

I agree with you there Cliff. I tend to shy away from people breeding 100% DDR just for the purpose of staying 100% DDR. Just too small of a gene pool.

GSD07 · 11-27-2011, 02:47 PM

I have seen one of Don's progeny and own that progeny's off-spring. I could not ask for a better dog, but I am afraid that I will not find a full DDR like him when the time comes (hopefully in the very distant future). My dog's breeder is going the route Cliff is suggesting in his posting.

11-26-2011, 02:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,210	Don vom Clausberg? Over on the DDR forums I've noticed a couple of people who seem to really dislike Don vom Clausberg, but nobody will say anything negative about him. This is a classy move but makes it hard for the rest of us to learn. I searched the forums on the database as well and didn't come up with anything. Anybody have any thoughts on Don? __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

11-26-2011, 05:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 7,087	there was a littermate here in Western PA - lots and lots of pups from the dog (in a big commercial short lived BY/PM type operation) had bad hips....I seem to remember some similar comments years ago about Don Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Basha Sch3, Ghost Sch3 - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB/Ret - Kyra, Sch3, Alice Sch1, Kelsey, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

11-26-2011, 10:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,210	Okaaaay. . . so why is he so popular? __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

11-26-2011, 10:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,210	Hmm. . . his ZW score is 82 and his littermates are all in the 80's. That's not too bad. BlackGSD, do you have any opinions on Don? I've just seen a couple of comments where people said they wouldn't buy or breed to a Don offspring, but can't get anyone to elaborate further. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

11-27-2011, 10:04 AM	#9 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,210	I agree with you there Cliff. I tend to shy away from people breeding 100% DDR just for the purpose of staying 100% DDR. Just too small of a gene pool. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

11-26-2011, 10:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
carmspack Knighted Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario - Posts: 3,322	Don Clausberg maintains a valuable herding line through Dina Gran Sasso . Looking at Don progeny I see majority "normal" . Carmen Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

11-27-2011, 08:31 AM	#8 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	I have never seen any progeny of Don personally, though I agree with Carmen that he possesses a very valuable line through Dina to good herding blood and all the great natural traits that come with these dogs. But I honestly feel that the DDR lines have been going into decline for the past twenty years. They are still valuable for supplementing a pedigree, especially in health, and some natural traits and instincts, but they have lost a lot of drive vigor, and in some cases the courage is not what it used to be. Not all, but way too many that I see. They need an infusion of different genetics or this trend will continue to occur in my opinion. It is very seldom that you see a DDR dog today that has the balance I would like to see in an utility dog. Now there are some nice DDR/Czech, DDR/Show, and DDR/European working dogs out there. I think this the direction a conscientous DDR breeder has to take. Just my take!

11-27-2011, 02:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
GSD07 Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,763	I have seen one of Don's progeny and own that progeny's off-spring. I could not ask for a better dog, but I am afraid that I will not find a full DDR like him when the time comes (hopefully in the very distant future). My dog's breeder is going the route Cliff is suggesting in his posting. __________________

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