how long back in a pedigree?

[nitemares]

I've been researching my pups pedigree, I am no expert and most of the time i have no idea what I am looking at. But I have been finding several dogs in his pedigree that i like, i try researching them even more. found some pretty nice things about some dogs and some not so nice (ex: great grandfather died young from hemophilia, not a very biddable grandfather but toned down to more biddable progeny with this dam, etc...)
My question is how long back do you keep going in order to get some idea on what good or bad your pup might have?
Like for example, my pup has a couple of Kirschental dogs far back in his pedigree, i like their idea (show x work mix for herding purposes) but is it so far back that my dog might not posses their herding quality.
Also some pure DDR lines does that mean he will be slow to mature?

Thanks in advance.

[gagsd]

Originally Posted by nitemares

My question is how long back do you keep going in order to get some idea on what good or bad your pup might have?

Best information will come from the parents. Having said that, I do look at pedigrees 5,6,7generations and more. But at that distance, individual dogs may not be as important as the backmassing, and the type of dogs.

[gagsd]

Originally Posted by nitemares

Also some pure DDR lines does that mean he will be slow to mature?
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No.

[nitemares]

Thanks my questions are simply examples not necessarily questions i'm asking

thankfully for both parents i got very good comments and also the grandparents with the exception of one. (dominance issues from Vito vom Waldwinkel??) So far my pup seems to be exactly what i wanted (breeder gives me updates every week, he's 9 weeks now)

My question comes from the fact that i've read and discussed with some breeders that when they look at the dam or sir they're going to breed there dog with, they tend to look so far back in the pedigree. I'm trying to understand why and how important is it to look very far back?

[carmspack]

could you post the pedigree again please.
Carmen

[PaddyD]

[quote=gagsd;2301096]

Originally Posted by nitemares

My question is how long back do you keep going in order to get some idea on what good or bad your pup might have?
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Best information will come from the parents. Having said that, I do look at pedigrees 5,6,7generations and more. But at that distance, individual dogs may not be as important as the backmassing, and the type of dogs.

What is backmassing? Number of times one dog appears in pedigree?

[Samba]

Backmassing....

http://www.sdk-weber.com/pdf/Genetic_Fidelity.pdf

[nitemares]

Carmen here it is
Mating test - German Shepherd Dog

I'm very interested in hearing everything about it, the good the bad and the ugly LOL

[nitemares]

Originally Posted by gagsd

Best information will come from the parents. Having said that, I do look at pedigrees 5,6,7generations and more. But at that distance, individual dogs may not be as important as the backmassing, and the type of dogs.

So how many times does a dog have to appear in a pedigree to be considered backmassing and does the distance count?(as in 5,6,7 or more generations back)

[PaddyD]

Originally Posted by nitemares

So how many times does a dog have to appear in a pedigree to be considered backmassing and does the distance count?(as in 5,6,7 or more generations back)

Good question. I see the same dog about 20 times in my dog's pedigree, but he is scattered through generations 5 - 10.