I just found the strongest pedigree in the history of the breed!!

[x0emiroxy0x]

Stud Dogs - Kolenda Kennels

"VA Irsus Veracruz IPO2 SchH3 Kkl 1a,L.B.Z.,DNA ZW Koered for Life
Irsus is the son of 2X World Sieger VA1 Larus von Batu and
Grandson of 2X World Sieger VA1 Yasko vom Farbenspiel
Great-Grandson of World Seiger VA1 Ursus von Batu.
This is the strongest pedigree in the History of the Breed!"


Just wondering, what makes this dog the strongest ever. Why would they breed him to two females in the past year that have no titles? Wouldn't you want to mate the strongest male with an awesome female to produce some super puppies? I have literally no idea what the titles mean, so please get rid of my ignorance and tell me...is this dog really the strongest ever ? or does he just have a pretty good pedigree?

I'm interested in getting my next puppy (from a REP. breeder this time!) within the next three years, and I am starting to try to educate myself on whether a dog is really as good as the websites claim. (I have seen a few webpages that claim to have the best german shepherds with the best temperament but none of the dogs have any titles but AKC)

I get confused when the dog has a few titles and the website talks all about their parents, grandparents, and great grandparents. Which REALLY matters? And should I make sure BOTH of the parents are titled? Why wouldn't a breeder title all the dogs?

[Dainerra]

might want to ask a mod to move this up into the breeding section. a lot of the more knowledgeable people will see it there

[GSDElsa]

Because they say it is

[Castlemaid]

Irsus is one of 282 offspring of Larus that are entered in the Pedigree Database - there could be more, but they are not listed on there.
Progency list for 2X VA1 Larus von Batu - German Shepherd Dog,
so he shares part of his strongest pedigree with at least 282 others.

I don't know why his pedigree would be the strongest, and not that of his 281 half-siblings?

Pedigree database lists an FH3 title on Irsus that your kennel link does not. If they want to impress potential customers, they should; an FH3 is VERY impressive (very advanced tracking title).

[robinhuerta]

It's just a nice stud dog with a fatherline from Ursus.
Good pedigree...but not "The strongest pedigree in the world".....just a good, solid WGSL pedigree.

[Liesje]

Originally Posted by GSDElsa

Because they say it is

Yep, lol.

I would say when you are examining potential breeders and they make such claims on their web site it is fair to ask how often THEY are actually showing and titling their dogs? I just read through the entire roster for the upcoming WDA North American Sieger Show and don't see a single dog from that kennel listed. Also I am a nerd who reads *all* of the show and trial results and I don't recall seeing more than one or two total in USCA show and trial results in the past several months. But 6+ litters per month....

[x0emiroxy0x]

Thanks for the quick replies guys!

One more question --


If a dog is going to be bred that has multiple, very impressive titles but his parents only had one title, say SCH3 or even only CGC, what do I think of that?

I'm thinking that maybe the person who purchased this dog didn't own either of the parents, but went on to train this dog fantastically...and obviously the dog turned out very well to get all these titles.

Would it be a bad decision to get a puppy from two dogs that had this situation (parents with single titles)?

I know that the parents have a huge effect on temperament but how much of an effect do the grandparents have on the puppies?

Thanks for the silly questions!

[PaddyD]

Originally Posted by x0emiroxy0x

Stud Dogs - Kolenda Kennels

"VA Irsus Veracruz IPO2 SchH3 Kkl 1a,L.B.Z.,DNA ZW Koered for Life
Irsus is the son of 2X World Sieger VA1 Larus von Batu and
Grandson of 2X World Sieger VA1 Yasko vom Farbenspiel
Great-Grandson of World Seiger VA1 Ursus von Batu.
This is the strongest pedigree in the History of the Breed!"

Sundance was no slouch.

[robk]

Not really sure about show line dogs but they look like nice looking dogs. I think it is kind of silly to make outlandish claims like this. I don't think it is really necessary to do this for your dogs to sell if they really are THAT good.

[Liesje]

Originally Posted by x0emiroxy0x

I'm thinking that maybe the person who purchased this dog didn't own either of the parents, but went on to train this dog fantastically...and obviously the dog turned out very well to get all these titles.

The site the dog is on now, these people did not breed the dog, did not own the parents. They probably purchased it as an adult, already titled, or as a younger dog and paid someone else to get it titled. This is very common with west German show line dogs like this. It is rare to find a dog that is "BHOT" (breeder-handler-owner-trained meaning the dog is trained and titled BY the breeder who is also the owner).

Personally I do not buy dogs based on the titles of the grandparents. I do consider the grandparents, yes, but not just because of their titles or lack of titles.

There are hundreds of nice stud dogs out there with the same titles and same titles on their parents and grandparents as this dog.