Pedigree Experts please chime in!

IllinoisGSD · 10-04-2011, 01:31 PM

Can you guys and gals tell me what you think of these two breeding's and weigh in your opinions. It would be much appreciated.

Irmus Galan Nalag x Ria Neresnícka dolina

Kutter vom Landesberg x Engie Japedo

nitemares · 10-04-2011, 03:29 PM

I don't know much about pedigrees but i do know that Irmus and my future pup are half brothers from the sire side

anawd · 10-13-2011, 07:11 PM

A training friend has an Irmus x Engie puppy and he is EXTREMELY nice. He is still quite young but is carrying around a SchH3 dumbbell. He always has to have something in his mouth. He has a lot of food drive, as well, and is already barking for a rag. He seems like he will be a fairly compliant puppy. I'm expecting great things from him!

I've seen both Irmus and Engie in person and like both of them, however they look much different in person than the photos I've seen of them. I think they look much better in person. Engie is a gorgeous dog. I don't know anything about the bitch being bred to Irmus this time (haven't seen her).

This same friend bred his bitch to Kutter and the litter has been outstanding. They are still young also (I believe 10 weeks?), and he has three of them (keeping one for sure, possibly two, just waiting to find the right homes). One male is going to be incredibly strong. I'm anticipating him to be a more difficult dog, not as compliant, but extremely confident and full of drive. The bitch is a very nice, social dog, but turns on when needed. I think the other two pups that are left will be a lot like her in that aspect.

So my suggestion would be, if you're looking for an "easier" dog to train, a more compliant dog, I'd go with the Irmus litter. If you're looking for a more serious dog, but one that may be more difficult, I'd go with the Kutter litter.

Good luck! Difficult choice!

IllinoisGSD · 10-17-2011, 06:18 AM

Thanks for the info!

IllinoisGSD · 11-05-2011, 07:02 AM

We put our deposit down on the Irmus breeding. Now the waiting begins.

cliffson1 · 11-05-2011, 08:26 AM

Little nugget....with Tyson and Task in the third generation Galag is built for power....with the litter being linebred on Cordon, you should get some swagger....lol

IllinoisGSD · 11-05-2011, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cliffson1

Little nugget....with Tyson and Task in the third generation Galag is built for power....with the litter being linebred on Cordon, you should get some swagger....lol

Has a nice ring to it. Thanks Cliff!

wolfstraum · 11-05-2011, 08:32 AM

Cliff - why do you like a linebreeding on Cordon??? I have talked to a couple of Czechs who recommend avoiding a linebreeding on Cordon??? My K's carry him once, through Gaston GN - same mother lines as Irmus...

Lee

cliffson1 · 11-05-2011, 03:41 PM

Hi Lee, because the linebreeding is 5-5, so far enough away to sidestep some of the negatives that would arise from say a 3-3 breeding on Cordon. I have seen closer linebreedings on Cordon that have some extreme issues in nerve, aggression, and thresholds, similar to West dogs like Grief when bred too close. But I have also seen him in farther removed linebreedings in which the other elements balance these things out and you can get nice attitude. Hope this makes sense.

cliffson1 · 11-05-2011, 03:50 PM

Also Lee, the dam side of Irmus is built for power and aggression. You are breeding Task to an O litter Danaru female. Odetta has Cordon as sire and her dam's grandsire is Cir Vrtoske, one of the great tough Czech dogs in work and breeding. Add Astor in as sire of Adele and somebody either really knew what they were doing or just a lucky Czech put together....lol.

10-04-2011, 01:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
IllinoisGSD Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 186	Pedigree Experts please chime in! Can you guys and gals tell me what you think of these two breeding's and weigh in your opinions. It would be much appreciated. Irmus Galan Nalag x Ria Neresnícka dolina Kutter vom Landesberg x Engie Japedo

10-04-2011, 03:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
nitemares Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Egypt Posts: 412	I don't know much about pedigrees but i do know that Irmus and my future pup are half brothers from the sire side __________________ Nadine Tamtam - Egyptian Mau Dante (Dumpty) ze Stribrneho kamene (9-9-2011) Juventus - GSD (RIP) Animal Aid Egypt

11-05-2011, 08:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 7,088	Cliff - why do you like a linebreeding on Cordon??? I have talked to a couple of Czechs who recommend avoiding a linebreeding on Cordon??? My K's carry him once, through Gaston GN - same mother lines as Irmus... Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Basha Sch3, Ghost Sch3 - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB/Ret - Kyra, Sch3, Alice Sch1, Kelsey, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

10-13-2011, 07:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
anawd New Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 7	A training friend has an Irmus x Engie puppy and he is EXTREMELY nice. He is still quite young but is carrying around a SchH3 dumbbell. He always has to have something in his mouth. He has a lot of food drive, as well, and is already barking for a rag. He seems like he will be a fairly compliant puppy. I'm expecting great things from him! I've seen both Irmus and Engie in person and like both of them, however they look much different in person than the photos I've seen of them. I think they look much better in person. Engie is a gorgeous dog. I don't know anything about the bitch being bred to Irmus this time (haven't seen her). This same friend bred his bitch to Kutter and the litter has been outstanding. They are still young also (I believe 10 weeks?), and he has three of them (keeping one for sure, possibly two, just waiting to find the right homes). One male is going to be incredibly strong. I'm anticipating him to be a more difficult dog, not as compliant, but extremely confident and full of drive. The bitch is a very nice, social dog, but turns on when needed. I think the other two pups that are left will be a lot like her in that aspect. So my suggestion would be, if you're looking for an "easier" dog to train, a more compliant dog, I'd go with the Irmus litter. If you're looking for a more serious dog, but one that may be more difficult, I'd go with the Kutter litter. Good luck! Difficult choice!

10-17-2011, 06:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
IllinoisGSD Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 186	Thanks for the info!

11-05-2011, 07:02 AM	#5 (permalink)
IllinoisGSD Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 186	We put our deposit down on the Irmus breeding. Now the waiting begins.

11-05-2011, 08:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	Little nugget....with Tyson and Task in the third generation Galag is built for power....with the litter being linebred on Cordon, you should get some swagger....lol

11-05-2011, 03:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	Hi Lee, because the linebreeding is 5-5, so far enough away to sidestep some of the negatives that would arise from say a 3-3 breeding on Cordon. I have seen closer linebreedings on Cordon that have some extreme issues in nerve, aggression, and thresholds, similar to West dogs like Grief when bred too close. But I have also seen him in farther removed linebreedings in which the other elements balance these things out and you can get nice attitude. Hope this makes sense.

11-05-2011, 03:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	Also Lee, the dam side of Irmus is built for power and aggression. You are breeding Task to an O litter Danaru female. Odetta has Cordon as sire and her dam's grandsire is Cir Vrtoske, one of the great tough Czech dogs in work and breeding. Add Astor in as sire of Adele and somebody either really knew what they were doing or just a lucky Czech put together....lol.

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