What do you think of this breeding? ASL

[Noodles]

Puppies Pedigree: Mating test - German Shepherd Dog


Sire: MV/SEL CH (US&CAN) Lindenhill's Hayabusa - German Shepherd Dog

Dam: Lindenhills Voodoo Charm - German Shepherd Dog

[Noodles]

I am contemplating a puppy and would appreciate any advice or foresight.

[cliffson1]

Beautiful dogs....should be some beautiful puppies.

[Xeph]

Too much linebreeding for me, personally. Bred a Yakuza son to a Yakuza granddaughter. I'd certainly be asking about health issues and the like, and what may be compounded on and potentially come through in the puppies,

[Vandal]

Not sure how long this is going to last but it is sure making me chuckle.

[Samba]

You might want to discuss withnthe breeder where they are going with this breeding. What is the purpose and what do they expect.

You might want to read about close linebreeding and what that can mean. It can produce, but it aso can result in homogeneity of undesirable genes. I had a dog who was a 2-2 linebreed. In his case, he got a big dose of much that was undesirable in the line. Such breeding can solidify what is good, but it can also really solidify genetically the undesirable recessives. One would want to avoid a pup that got that genetic deal. How would a person know at a young age?

[carmspack]

I would say the same thing as Samba . Looks like Lindenhills has a game plan . Ask them what they would suggest .
Looked into the background as the newer dogs are not familiar to me anymore.
I do have a good resource library - hundreds of issues of the american gsd club's German Shepherd dog Review.

Saw that there is FRACK in the background . I know this dog , saw him many times -- boy was he impressive .
Now look at that pedigree SEL AM CH Frack v Rosshaus - German Shepherd Dog

what is YOUR purpose and plan for the litter ?

You could go back and pull up some of Frack's ancestry , bring in some very nicely structured DDR dogs with Held Ritterberg , bringing in Bernd Lierberg.
Depending on what dog you are using , lets say INT CH - V(US) - Yello vom Haus Iris - German Shepherd Dog Yello or Sando haus Iris - just to show an example of nice structure. You would be shortening the dog up a bit . ASL can be long in the back.
Looked into the background and see Lamar Kuhns posing Prime time -- a great moving dog. Lamar was always irreverent , great entertainment in the ring .
For fun go to the third generation and you will see how from that point forward into the current dog that the backs and length is getting longer. You'll see the back on Aspen AM GV CH Aspen of Fran-Jo - German Shepherd Dog
These are the dogs that were running in the rings when I was handling .
The pedigree has a lot of Lance. A complementary line , which will bring in masculine heads and a firmer body , with good shoulders etc was Yoncalla's Mike, Hollamors Judd . Bel Vista Beau Brummel had the Hessian dogs behind him .

That was the formula which got you SEL CAN & AM CH Winning Ways Chimo - German Shepherd Dog , which if the pedigree were complete on My Girl Bill and Ambergris (Marko Cellerland, Yoncalla Mike) you would see.

Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

[carmspack]

want to go total outcross Idol von Bismack - German Shepherd Dog

bringing in the Bernd Lierberg . It can work --- .
Very important question what is the temperament like of both Lindenhill dogs ?

Let me show you how I have directed the maternal line of "Chimo" . One branch went show - Chimo et al , the other went working - right to my current dogs.

If I can provide an email to someone through my hotmail address so that they can post this on the forum I will show you the structure you can get , Carmspack Hektor , who ended up in police service. (carmspack@hotmail.com) .
It's all about selection.

[Noodles]

Originally Posted by carmspack

want to go total outcross Idol von Bismack - German Shepherd Dog

bringing in the Bernd Lierberg . It can work --- .
Very important question what is the temperament like of both Lindenhill dogs ?

Let me show you how I have directed the maternal line of "Chimo" . One branch went show - Chimo et al , the other went working - right to my current dogs.

If I can provide an email to someone through my hotmail address so that they can post this on the forum I will show you the structure you can get , Carmspack Hektor , who ended up in police service. (carmspack@hotmail.com) .
It's all about selection.

The Dam I know quite well she has a good temperament as far as children other dogs, animals, new places and new events. She is very attached to her owner though and will go off of food if separated... I don't like that but that being said it could be a socialized problem and not hereditary.

The Sire well he's dead. This would be a breeding with the straws she has left on him. She is guarding them with her life I will say. And they have been planning this breeding for quite a while. I have never met him so I can not attest to his temperament. But it seems that there are many many people who like him.

[Emoore]

Originally Posted by Noodles

. She is very attached to her owner though and will go off of food if separated... I don't like that but that being said it could be a socialized problem and not hereditary.

No, I don't think so.

Being iffy with a certain group of people (certain race, age group, people in walkers or wheelchairs, etc) is a socialization issue. Being so dependent on the owner that the dog can't eat without him/her is a nerve issue.

When it comes to ASL bloodlines I don't know my head from my tail, but making excuses for weak nerves is a big part of the reason the breed is where it is today.