GSL stud to improve ASL????

[trudy]

I have met this dog many times, I have seen many offspring bred to both GSL and ASL and I love what he is producing. Can anyone tell me anything about his pedigree and any problems they have heard. I also want to know what people think about mixing lines. If I ever breed Gemma for myself I would like to either use this dog or one of his sons, but Gemma's breeder feels that would be wrong as she feels we would get the roach and weird rear, but this dog has a nice moderate rear, and can be stacked without the roach and actually was in the top 25 in the breed in CAn shows last year, with many group placements, yet shown only limitedly.
V (Can) Ch Tattoo vom Team Zellwaldrand


V (Can) Ch Tattoo vom Team Zellwaldrand - German Shepherd Dog

[trudy]

here is a link to one of his sons when bred to ASL:
Madeb's Fury - German Shepherd Dog

[PaddyD]

JMHO but I think his rear is extreme. Your Gemma is beautiful and balanced without that ridiculous slope. The rear ends are getting closer and closer to the ground and people think that is beautiful. But that's only my opinion.
Some of the breeders in this forum are producing roachy, sloped backs and everyone is saying 'OH how beautiful'. I think it is sad.

[cliffson1]

Too much length of stifle for my taste....does have good secondary characteristics.....I guess it depends on what you are breeding for.

[Liesje]

Re. Tattoo..... I was just reviewing the results of the Canadian Sieger show and Tattoo was in the open (untitled) class. How does the dog have a V rating if he is not titled? Do other countries not have that rule?

[Lakl]

Originally Posted by PaddyD

JMHO but I think his rear is extreme. Your Gemma is beautiful and balanced without that ridiculous slope. The rear ends are getting closer and closer to the ground and people think that is beautiful. But that's only my opinion.
Some of the breeders in this forum are producing roachy, sloped backs and everyone is saying 'OH how beautiful'. I think it is sad.

I think if you knew a little more about the breeder(s) you are referring to and how much work they put into their dogs and the reputation they hold in both the working and show world, you wouldn't be so quick to speak negatively about them. They are one of the very few SL breeders that strive to produce dogs that can WORK as well as show. JMHO...

[PaddyD]

Originally Posted by Lakl

I think if you knew a little more about the breeder(s) you are referring to and how much work they put into their dogs and the reputation they hold in both the working and show world, you wouldn't be so quick to speak negatively about them. They are one of the very few SL breeders that strive to produce dogs that can WORK as well as show. JMHO...

We all have opinions, and mine is as valid to me as anyone else's is to them.
I don't believe that I have to be a super model to appreciate and/or criticize their appearance. I am not a professional athlete but I can appreciate and/or criticize their performance. I am not a breeder but I can appreciate and/or criticize their dogs. It's just an opinion and nobody has to agree with it. But I don't expect to change the opinion that breeders are breeding their dogs' butts into the ground. The slope and angulation makes them look like frogs instead of dogs. JMHO
I do like angulation which causes a strong, straight back to have a slight
slope. But I don't like the extremes. I will not apologize for having an opinion.

[Liesje]

It is not wrong to have an opinion but do you have any experience w/ the dog or pedigree? I don't so I won't comment on whether or not to use him. I've only seen other pictures and video and suffice to say I won't judge this dog simply based on one (poor) stacked photo because I remember I liked him when I saw those videos but do not like this one photo. Is your assessment of him based on the photo in the link?

[Vandal]

I think anyone who has eyes should be allowed to express an opinion. I have seen WL dogs stacked a certain way, ( the KKL 1 stack as one WL guy called it), where the croup looks more steep and rounded. However, no matter how you stack em, they don't look like the show dogs, ( the back), when they are supposedly stacked wrong. If they are stacked in a way where people have to make excuses about it, then don't use the picture.

[PaddyD]

Originally Posted by Vandal

I think anyone who has eyes should be allowed to express an opinion. I have seen WL dogs stacked a certain way, ( the KKL 1 stack as one WL guy called it), where the croup looks more steep and rounded. However, no matter how you stack em, they don't look like the show dogs, ( the back), when they are supposedly stacked wrong. If they are stacked in a way where people have to make excuses about it, then don't use the picture.

Amen and stated better than I did. If someone is asking an opinion based on a picture then that is all we have to go by. If the picture is not representative then the opinion will not have a valid basis.