Blood lines

Debbieg · 09-05-2011, 02:44 PM

Could anyone tell me what to expect from this pedigree?

F Litter von Walburga (Hasko) - German Shepherd Dog

bocron · 09-05-2011, 03:30 PM

Ok, I have to say it... German Shepherds?

JK, actually we have a Conner daughter and a Falk son here and love the temperament and workability of both.
I'm not a breeder, so hopefully you will hear from others with a good idea of what you may expect from this breeding.

Annette

BlackthornGSD · 09-05-2011, 05:18 PM

That's a lot of Fero backmassing. Both parents are linebred on Fero to start with.

You might get some small size from the female linebred on Mona Dollenwiese.

My preference would be to go to some more diverse bloodlines with a female as strongly linebred as this one. That, however, is a personal preference--and many very successful European breeders might do this combination.

Also, my girl Nike is an Ex vd Grube Waldecke daughter--and she's been an awesome producer and a great dog to live with--she's 13 now and still very healthy.

I had a female who was linebred on Resi vd Bosen Nachbarschaft (this breeding will be linebred on Rocky vd BN)--she had and produced very sound nerves, good drives, lots of trainability, small size, a bit too much "biddability" (or handler sensitivity--the dogs want to be right and very much don't want to be "wrong"), excellent hunt drive and natural retrieves. So far, good hips, elbows, overall conformation--could have stronger heads.

With this much Fero (who produced, imo, some handler hardness), the sensitivity ought to be mostly counterbalanced. But I suspect that you could get some hecticness and maybe some "thin nerves." Much would depend on the parents and what aspects of their pedigrees they manifest.

Debbieg · 09-05-2011, 10:52 PM

Thanks Christine! I have been e-mailing the breeder and just getting to know her breeding program. I like what I am finding so far, but I am such a novice. She is near where I live so I hope to visit and see her dogs.

Here is her website
Walburga GSD

Smithie86 · 09-05-2011, 11:06 PM

I like what I have seen Calimero von MaKeRa produce.

We have 4 grand progeny from Falk (thru Tina), all from different sires (Vox, Rosso, Vito and Aerry), so we really know those lines well.

Debbieg · 09-05-2011, 11:57 PM

Thanks for the input Sue! I am looking forward to meeting the breeder and her dogs.

GSDElsa · 09-06-2011, 06:48 AM

I have a Falk grandson. I know Falk is known to produce "sporty" dogs, but training influences how "real" they can be.

Mutz is one of Cliff's favorite dogs. I don't know much about him, but hopefully he sees this to chime in

Uniballer · 09-06-2011, 08:04 AM

I believe the more famous Mutz that Cliff has talked about is Mutz von der Pelztierfarm.

GSDElsa · 09-06-2011, 08:13 AM

Ooooh I believe you are correct now that I think about it. My mistake

cliffson1 · 09-06-2011, 08:46 AM

I like both Mutzes!!!lol About this breeding...this is a good example of a breeding that really challenges me a lot. There are some nice individual dogs in the breeding and the breeding is linebred on a dog that I love to see in a pedigree. But the parents individually probably have two much of certain elements for my personal taste. So you are balancing a litter linebred vs a parents individual linebred along with a million other things....really lol. This is a good one....and there is nothing wrong with this breeding at all, for me though a breeding has to lay a foundation for where you can go from there. Would have to make a commitment and like "some" men I hate to commit on changing variables.....

09-05-2011, 02:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
Debbieg Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Calif Posts: 1,158	Blood lines Could anyone tell me what to expect from this pedigree? F Litter von Walburga (Hasko) - German Shepherd Dog __________________ Benedict GSD 4/13/09 Angelina Pit adopted 8/11/09 Jake Borzoi 12/3/10 Waiting at the Bridge Eli GSD Chopper APBT Raphael GSD http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1007494 http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/610245.html

09-05-2011, 03:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
bocron Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Milton, Georgia Posts: 1,458	Ok, I have to say it... German Shepherds? JK, actually we have a Conner daughter and a Falk son here and love the temperament and workability of both. I'm not a breeder, so hopefully you will hear from others with a good idea of what you may expect from this breeding. Annette __________________ Annette Holbrook www.coppercreekdvg.com- All Breed Schutzhund Club Home of Umarek von Hugelblick, my good luck charm!

09-05-2011, 05:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
BlackthornGSD Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central Virginia Posts: 1,094	That's a lot of Fero backmassing. Both parents are linebred on Fero to start with. You might get some small size from the female linebred on Mona Dollenwiese. My preference would be to go to some more diverse bloodlines with a female as strongly linebred as this one. That, however, is a personal preference--and many very successful European breeders might do this combination. Also, my girl Nike is an Ex vd Grube Waldecke daughter--and she's been an awesome producer and a great dog to live with--she's 13 now and still very healthy. I had a female who was linebred on Resi vd Bosen Nachbarschaft (this breeding will be linebred on Rocky vd BN)--she had and produced very sound nerves, good drives, lots of trainability, small size, a bit too much "biddability" (or handler sensitivity--the dogs want to be right and very much don't want to be "wrong"), excellent hunt drive and natural retrieves. So far, good hips, elbows, overall conformation--could have stronger heads. With this much Fero (who produced, imo, some handler hardness), the sensitivity ought to be mostly counterbalanced. But I suspect that you could get some hecticness and maybe some "thin nerves." Much would depend on the parents and what aspects of their pedigrees they manifest. __________________ Christine Blackthorn Working German Shepherds

09-05-2011, 10:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Debbieg Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Calif Posts: 1,158	Thanks Christine! I have been e-mailing the breeder and just getting to know her breeding program. I like what I am finding so far, but I am such a novice. She is near where I live so I hope to visit and see her dogs. Here is her website Walburga GSD __________________ Benedict GSD 4/13/09 Angelina Pit adopted 8/11/09 Jake Borzoi 12/3/10 Waiting at the Bridge Eli GSD Chopper APBT Raphael GSD http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1007494 http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/610245.html

09-05-2011, 11:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Smithie86 Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Nashville, TN and Budapest HU Posts: 3,807	I like what I have seen Calimero von MaKeRa produce. We have 4 grand progeny from Falk (thru Tina), all from different sires (Vox, Rosso, Vito and Aerry), so we really know those lines well. __________________ Sue www.k9imports.com V KK1 Molinari Enzo SCH3,IPO3,VK3,FH(WUSVx3, FCIx4) HOT KK1 Frodo v Biezenhoeve SCH3,IPO3,HPO3 (WUSVx2, FCIx2)HOT KK1 Tarnoki-Felvigyazo Quamatz SCH3 (HOT), KK1 Griff v Tajgetosz SCH3(BHOT)

09-05-2011, 11:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Debbieg Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Calif Posts: 1,158	Thanks for the input Sue! I am looking forward to meeting the breeder and her dogs. __________________ Benedict GSD 4/13/09 Angelina Pit adopted 8/11/09 Jake Borzoi 12/3/10 Waiting at the Bridge Eli GSD Chopper APBT Raphael GSD http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1007494 http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/610245.html

09-06-2011, 06:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
GSDElsa Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central, NY Posts: 3,706	I have a Falk grandson. I know Falk is known to produce "sporty" dogs, but training influences how "real" they can be. Mutz is one of Cliff's favorite dogs. I don't know much about him, but hopefully he sees this to chime in __________________ Justine, mom to: - Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins" - Medo Aritar Bastet - "The Beast From The East"

09-06-2011, 08:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
Uniballer Master Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western New York Posts: 666	I believe the more famous Mutz that Cliff has talked about is Mutz von der Pelztierfarm.

09-06-2011, 08:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
GSDElsa Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central, NY Posts: 3,706	Ooooh I believe you are correct now that I think about it. My mistake __________________ Justine, mom to: - Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins" - Medo Aritar Bastet - "The Beast From The East"

09-06-2011, 08:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	I like both Mutzes!!!lol About this breeding...this is a good example of a breeding that really challenges me a lot. There are some nice individual dogs in the breeding and the breeding is linebred on a dog that I love to see in a pedigree. But the parents individually probably have two much of certain elements for my personal taste. So you are balancing a litter linebred vs a parents individual linebred along with a million other things....really lol. This is a good one....and there is nothing wrong with this breeding at all, for me though a breeding has to lay a foundation for where you can go from there. Would have to make a commitment and like "some" men I hate to commit on changing variables.....

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