Confused: Question about this pedigree! please help!

pwillow · 07-26-2011, 04:20 PM

Hi, I am trying to figure out how to understand pedigree. I just bought a puppy and I can not understand her pedigree. Her father is Hemi vom Oak Ranch Shepards.

Hemi Vom Oak Ranch Shepards - German Shepherd Dog

I don't really understand what the difference is between VA1 and V as these are the mostly the titles that show up in her pedigree.

lastly, if someone could explain what SG6, BSZS, VA2

Thanks to anyone that can help me. I want to learn how to understand pedigree easily but I am sure it is annoying for those who understand to have to read these questions all the time.

Also if anyone can tell me if this is high quality or not? ..the mother of my puppy did not have any special titles but her hips were approved and she was beautiful.

Two · 07-26-2011, 04:25 PM

Dog Titles & Abbreviations

(Schutzhund and Other Dogsport Titles, by Wildhaus Kennels )

Hope this helps.

Emoore · 07-26-2011, 04:29 PM

VA, V, SG and G are German conformation show ratings, with VA being the best, then V, then SG, and then G. Anything below G is considered unacceptable for breeding. I'm not sure about the numbers after the letters, I believe it has something to do with how many times the dog was shown and received that rating. Someone more knowledgeable than I am about German Show Lines should come along here shortly and tell you more.

I don't know enough about those specific titles to tell you what they mean, but (and I mean this as a compliment) if everyone who knows as little as you do ended up with a pup bred as nicely as yours is, there'd be a lot fewer problems in the German Shepherd breed. Even if you didn't know what you were looking at, you ended up with a fairly nicely bred German Show Lines dog.

pwillow · 07-26-2011, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emoore

I don't know enough about those specific titles to tell you what they mean, but (and I mean this as a compliment) if everyone who knows as little as you do ended up with a pup bred as nicely as yours is, there'd be a lot fewer problems in the German Shepherd breed. Even if you didn't know what you were looking at, you ended up with a fairly nicely bred German Show Lines dog.

Thanks, yeah.. I was aware the grandfather etc had some champion titles but I just didn't really understand what they were or meant. Hopefully I will be able to learn even more about this dog's pedigree.
By fairly nice would you say my pup has average/above average/way above average pedigree?

Emoore · 07-26-2011, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwillow

Thanks, yeah.. I was aware the grandfather etc had some champion titles but I just didn't really understand what they were or meant. Hopefully I will be able to learn even more about this dog's pedigree.
By fairly nice would you say my pup has average/above average/way above average pedigree?

Below average for a show line dog, far above average for the typical pet. Not a dog I would suggest breeding, but certainly nicer than Spike bred to Lady with the puppies marketed on Craigslist for $250.

selzer · 07-26-2011, 06:06 PM

I tis a nice German Showline pedigree. Jeck was a great dog, Hobby had good progeny as well. V rating is excellent. But do not discount SG ratings, and that is the Highest rating a puppy can can be given. If there is a number SG-6 BSZS -- that means it was the puppy rated number 6 out of the entire class of possibly hundreds of dogs. Or it was given a rating of SG and number six. VA5 is really good. VA1 is the top dog for the year.

It is not the best I think hip wise, but that is only one piece of the puzzle. It looks like the breeders imported dogs and now are breeding some of their progeny.

carmspack · 07-26-2011, 06:38 PM

welcome to the forum

after you buy a dog is not the time to ask if it is high quality or not . Too late.

Most important does this dog have good temperament. Does it fit in , adapt, cope , respond and bond --- then you have a king/queen of dogs , a great companion .

Enjoy .

Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

pwillow · 07-27-2011, 01:55 PM

yes they have great temperament. She is very jolly and not afraid of new situations even though shes 8weeks old. Also I was thinking of doing some type of training because she seems to really like to tug on a rope. I guess Ill have to do the basics while becoming educated about the different types of training I can do.

Thanks for your advice everyone!! very helpful

HeidiW · 07-27-2011, 02:48 PM

I am glad you asked ! enjoyed reading this! Also Welcome!

MountainGSDs · 07-27-2011, 02:51 PM

Wow go back to generation 4, 5 and 6 and there are some impressive names including Fanto vom Hirschel. Arminius, Wildsteiger Land, Haus Beck, Hirschel and others are in those generations.
They are considered German Showline but those early generations could really work too. Fanto was am amazing dog and truly earned his SchH3.

‪Fanto vom Hirschel - Gold Edition - By Eduardo Durán Haedo -‬&rlm; - YouTube

07-26-2011, 04:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
pwillow Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 28	Confused: Question about this pedigree! please help! Hi, I am trying to figure out how to understand pedigree. I just bought a puppy and I can not understand her pedigree. Her father is Hemi vom Oak Ranch Shepards. Hemi Vom Oak Ranch Shepards - German Shepherd Dog I don't really understand what the difference is between VA1 and V as these are the mostly the titles that show up in her pedigree. lastly, if someone could explain what SG6, BSZS, VA2 Thanks to anyone that can help me. I want to learn how to understand pedigree easily but I am sure it is annoying for those who understand to have to read these questions all the time. Also if anyone can tell me if this is high quality or not? ..the mother of my puppy did not have any special titles but her hips were approved and she was beautiful.

07-26-2011, 04:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
Two Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 237	Dog Titles & Abbreviations (Schutzhund and Other Dogsport Titles, by Wildhaus Kennels ) Hope this helps. __________________ In the process of becoming a GSD owner. Goals: Agility training, possible Schutzhund, great friend / companion! -Jimmy

07-26-2011, 04:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,214	VA, V, SG and G are German conformation show ratings, with VA being the best, then V, then SG, and then G. Anything below G is considered unacceptable for breeding. I'm not sure about the numbers after the letters, I believe it has something to do with how many times the dog was shown and received that rating. Someone more knowledgeable than I am about German Show Lines should come along here shortly and tell you more. I don't know enough about those specific titles to tell you what they mean, but (and I mean this as a compliment) if everyone who knows as little as you do ended up with a pup bred as nicely as yours is, there'd be a lot fewer problems in the German Shepherd breed. Even if you didn't know what you were looking at, you ended up with a fairly nicely bred German Show Lines dog. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

07-26-2011, 06:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	I tis a nice German Showline pedigree. Jeck was a great dog, Hobby had good progeny as well. V rating is excellent. But do not discount SG ratings, and that is the Highest rating a puppy can can be given. If there is a number SG-6 BSZS -- that means it was the puppy rated number 6 out of the entire class of possibly hundreds of dogs. Or it was given a rating of SG and number six. VA5 is really good. VA1 is the top dog for the year. It is not the best I think hip wise, but that is only one piece of the puzzle. It looks like the breeders imported dogs and now are breeding some of their progeny. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

07-27-2011, 02:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
HeidiW Knighted Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 3,141	I am glad you asked ! enjoyed reading this! Also Welcome! __________________ Heidi, human mom to Daisy, 6 yr JRT Bella, 3 yr GSD Bo, 2 yr GSD Rest in Peace, Kasey, GSD Shelter 8/96-12/07 at the Bridge Patches, CS Shelter 4/93-4/05 at the Bridge Keisha, GSD 12/87-10/96 at the Bridge Tarsha, GSD my sweet 16 BD at the Bridge

07-26-2011, 06:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
carmspack Knighted Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario - Posts: 3,324	welcome to the forum after you buy a dog is not the time to ask if it is high quality or not . Too late. Most important does this dog have good temperament. Does it fit in , adapt, cope , respond and bond --- then you have a king/queen of dogs , a great companion . Enjoy . Carmen Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

07-27-2011, 01:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
pwillow Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 28	yes they have great temperament. She is very jolly and not afraid of new situations even though shes 8weeks old. Also I was thinking of doing some type of training because she seems to really like to tug on a rope. I guess Ill have to do the basics while becoming educated about the different types of training I can do. Thanks for your advice everyone!! very helpful

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