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07-23-2011, 05:50 PM
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Please, pedigree gurus, tell me your thoughts about this breeding
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07-23-2011, 07:18 PM
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genetic lottery ticket - Czech sire to female who is Belgian/czech over a showline....
wouldn't even hazard a guess.... Lee
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07-23-2011, 07:48 PM
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Lee, I looked at the pedigree before I read your comment. I must be getting better at reading pedigrees, I thought the same.
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07-23-2011, 07:52 PM
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Truly a genetic hodge podge of Czech, Belgian, WGSL, and a touch of East. The dog has some real high highs in the pedigree, and also some real concerns in the pedigree. I won't go into specific negatives, but I will say that I don't like seeing a West German showline dog on the dam out line. There's too much dog above in top three lines, some with super strong drives, and super aggression; to rely on a showline's nerve, in the dam out line, for my comfort. Having said that there are some super dogs in this pedigree, but not much reason to the planning that I can see.JMO
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07-23-2011, 08:37 PM
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07-23-2011, 08:49 PM
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Given this thread, or the other thread I posted, or waiting on another breeding of brongo, what do you think? If waiting on another brongo breeding, what should be looked for in the dam?
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07-23-2011, 09:14 PM
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Dam out - or sire out is the bottom or top of the pedigree....in horse terms, it is easier - dam, second dam is her dam, third dam is the second dam's dam, fourth is the third's dam and so on...if you look at a pedigree, it will follow the "bottom line" ie - always the very bottom dog in each generation .... for example, I had a male who is a direct male line descendant of Marko Cellarland.....
Cito Wolfstraum, by Xito Maineiche, by Ex Maineiche, by Xento Maineiche, by Oldo Maineiche, by Marko Cellarland..... theoretically, the genetics are influenced more specifically by dogs in certain positions.... and if you think this is complex - Dosage in Thoroughbreds is even more convoluted! Look for a pup whose dam is not WGSL close up Lee
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07-23-2011, 09:28 PM
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FWIW...The Amulree kennel is more known for "character" than looks in the show world...
*Scary to think the opinions that will float around when I incorporate SL to WL...*
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07-23-2011, 10:20 PM
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Amulree was the kennel name of Mike Worrell's wife/family....Mike owned Gump and his sire Troll Milinda
I know that occasionally SL breeders will bring in a working dog or vice versa and keep back from that litter to incorporate into their program....I don't think the litters are as consistent and that it will take a few generations to get that back..unfortunately way too many commercial breeders do the mix just to sell pups, doing it just to do it without a long term commitment to developing a line. Alot of the Stribrneho Kamene dogs are from Bemoan Bee - who is a show cross, and Chuck Dorneberger Bach is part SL as well..... Lee
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07-23-2011, 10:29 PM
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Lee...I can't see it being a "selling factor" combining the bloodlines...?
Many look at it as "the plague"......I of course will do it for myself, and will keep whelps for our future breeding program....but I'm/we're looking generations ahead also.
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thanks you in advance
