Help with Tang's pedigree please

wildo · 07-19-2011, 02:36 PM

I love Tang. She is unreal. I don't even understand how she can be soooo fast! Check this out:

‪Tang earning her Open Std title‬&rlm; - YouTube

I found her owner's website, which states:

Quote:

She hails from Florida and was bred by Lisa Skinner Reaves and Bonnie McDonald.

And she links to Tang's pedigree: Bonjon Dizzy Gin Fiz Dschungel - German Shepherd Dog

Can someone help me to understand what (who, I guess) is in her pedigree that provides so much drive? I don't really know anything at all about reading pedigrees- so I guess I am not really sure what I am asking for. Kinda just wondering why this dog is so FAST! Does anything stand out to anyone?

GSDElsa · 07-19-2011, 02:42 PM

Hmm I'm not the most knowledgable but she looks like a hodge podge of lines thatgot them lucky this time

wildo · 07-19-2011, 02:48 PM

Thought I'd add one more video to show the speed I am talking about:

‪TangSICDC may3 09 std‬&rlm; - YouTube

GSDElsa- Is there ASL in there? I really don't know much at all, but I thought that when you see names with "of" in them like "Sheena of the jungle II" or "Bruces King of Hearts" that's usually a giveaway to show lines. Is there truth in this?

n2gsds · 07-19-2011, 02:53 PM

Can't speak on the pedigree since I am not that knowledgeable but great job! Beautiful performance!

**Andaka** · 07-19-2011, 03:03 PM

Ch. Dan-Ann's Nasdac is ASL. Some of the others seem to be more pet lines. I know Bonnie McDonald -- those dogs were chosen because of their biddablity and speed. She has been training dogs -- mostly agility -- for a long time.

selzer · 07-19-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wildo

Thought I'd add one more video to show the speed I am talking about:
‪TangSICDC may3 09 std‬&rlm; - YouTube

GSDElsa- Is there ASL in there? I really don't know much at all, but I thought that when you see names with "of" in them like "Sheena of the jungle II" or "Bruces King of Hearts" that's usually a giveaway to show lines. Is there truth in this?

She has showlines in her. When you see initials like CH and acronyms ROM, that would most likely be American Showlines, though some people have put CH on German Showlines.

Sheena of the Jungle II could be show lines, could be pet lines. You can import a dog from Germany in whelp and name the puppy who's sire and dam were German dogs and you can name the puppy, Sheena of the Jungle if you want to.

If I keep and Odessa/Herko pup, the pup will be all German Showlines, but it will be named Evenstar's Kojak. I can get a pup out of two American bred dogs and name it Wotan Von Selzer. And as my name is German, it sounds German enough, it will not make the dog any more German though. I could call it Wotan Von Arminius -- that would be unethical but unless Arminius is a current kennel name registered with the AKC, they would do it. But it would not make the dog any more German. You kind of have to be careful with just looking at the name to determine lines.

Xeph · 07-19-2011, 03:32 PM

Jendhi Shepherds is old American lines. Maineiche is going back to the East German (??) working lines.

Her pup, Rev, is Tang x Bandit Wolfsheim

**MaggieRoseLee** · 07-19-2011, 03:37 PM

I just contacted Tang's 'mom' hopefully she'll get back and explain. Roughly I think she's a mix of AKC show and German working....but that's pretty rough

She's an amazing dog though.

She's VERY fast and drivey, but it also helps that she's smaller. Tang only measures out (under 22" at the shoulder) having to jump 20" rather than my huge beasts that measure out at over the 22" mark (at over 24" at the shoulder) so we jump 24". Size and weight do make a difference, then you add that drive and 'see ya'!!

gsdmom1 · 07-19-2011, 04:00 PM

Hi everyone! Yep...I am Tangy's momma and the handler in the video. We are not truely sure where the speed came from but I can tell you all of this:
Tangy's sire is a dog named Ajax. He was a nice dog, good drive. Not overdrive like Tang. He did have a full litter sister named Artimus who was VERY Drivey. SHe was also small. Ajax was a bit of an ass. I hate to say it but it is true. He cold be agressive with other dogs and his owner, Lisa, was very aware of this. Tangy's mom, Jesse, was just a nice dog. She did not have titles when she was bred but was the sweetest GSD I had ever met. Her parents were nice working dogs as well. Again, drive, but not over drive. I would consider them above average.
When the breeding was done, I was on the list as I LOVED ARTI. I was hoping her drive would come out of this cross. IT DID. Tangy was mine from the beginning, according to Bonnie (Jesse's owner) and Lisa (Ajax's owner). She showed her true colors from day 1 and they knew she would not be suitable for a pet home. I initally refused her as I was going through some rough stuff but they persevered and she came to NJ to live.
Yes, Jen is right, he size helps BUT...in the open video she is running at 24inches. SHe has that drive at 20, 24 and 26. It is just her. I worked very hard not to kill any of it. She is the most talented dog I have ever trained and arguablly one of the fastest GSD out there. (ok, I said arguably! there are some pretty fast ones out there!) SHe won the top 20 event at the GSDCA national this past year. I thank GOD every day that she ended up with me and I could be so honored to train and run such a special dog.
I did breed her this past year and she had 5 beautiful girls. I kept 1 (Rev) and the others all went to performance homes. One of them is with Gordon Simmions-Moake who is the owner and trainer of the number 1 GSD in agility for the past few years.
Again, I am not sure where the drive came from as it was an outcross but I can tell you her daughter has even more (if that is possible!) SHe is a spitfire and yes, is a peanut too! She is only 45 lbs and probably measures 21 1/2 inches. The sire, Bandit, is a well know V rated, Shutzhund 3 dog imported from Germany. Although h is not huge, he certainly is not small and I am surprised my Revvy is so little....oh well, more 20 inch classes for me!
Any more questions on her, please let me know. I love to talk about her!

wildo · 07-19-2011, 04:41 PM

Thanks so much for the reply Marisa! You have one amazing dog- that's for sure. I will take my reply offline to PM's in order to keep this thread on topic.

07-19-2011, 02:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
GSDElsa Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central, NY Posts: 3,706	Hmm I'm not the most knowledgable but she looks like a hodge podge of lines thatgot them lucky this time __________________ Justine, mom to: - Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins" - Medo Aritar Bastet - "The Beast From The East"

07-19-2011, 02:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
n2gsds Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 256	Can't speak on the pedigree since I am not that knowledgeable but great job! Beautiful performance! __________________ Brenda & Jenny AKA Brenleigh's Lady Guinevere RIP-Carleigh 8/98-12/10

07-19-2011, 03:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
Andaka "I like Daffy" Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Douglas, IL ( near St. Louis) Posts: 2,435	Ch. Dan-Ann's Nasdac is ASL. Some of the others seem to be more pet lines. I know Bonnie McDonald -- those dogs were chosen because of their biddablity and speed. She has been training dogs -- mostly agility -- for a long time. __________________ Daphne and the Gang at Andaka Where Beauty and Brains Come Together http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/germ...&results_in=10 Home of Ch Natty; Ch Doll; Jag RA (ch ptd); Sara RN (ch ptd); Bella (the new one); and Fisher (Mr. Evil) At the Bridge: Ch Kahla CD; Ch Keno UD HSAs OA; Ch Kizzy HSAs RE; Ch Tag CD RAE2; Ch Pharra; Bee PT; Ch Red the Dachshund

07-19-2011, 03:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 4,764	Jendhi Shepherds is old American lines. Maineiche is going back to the East German (??) working lines. Her pup, Rev, is Tang x Bandit Wolfsheim __________________ Jackie S Konzert vom Drachenberg CD, RN, CGC, Service Dog "Strauss" Joplin von Eichenluft SDIT "Mahler" Mana's 5 Cents for Advice Marcato "Wesson" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" Barrett, the Woodford rescue kitty

07-19-2011, 03:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
MaggieRoseLee The Agility Rocks! Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bushkill, PA (The Poconos!) Posts: 22,205	I just contacted Tang's 'mom' hopefully she'll get back and explain. Roughly I think she's a mix of AKC show and German working....but that's pretty rough She's an amazing dog though. She's VERY fast and drivey, but it also helps that she's smaller. Tang only measures out (under 22" at the shoulder) having to jump 20" rather than my huge beasts that measure out at over the 22" mark (at over 24" at the shoulder) so we jump 24". Size and weight do make a difference, then you add that drive and 'see ya'!! __________________ MACH2 Bretta Lee Wildhaus CGC TC TQX Glory B Wildhaus NA, NJ, NF + LOL (still) "*Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde* Last edited by MaggieRoseLee; 07-19-2011 at 03:41 PM.

07-19-2011, 04:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
gsdmom1 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hazlet, NJ Posts: 40	Hi everyone! Yep...I am Tangy's momma and the handler in the video. We are not truely sure where the speed came from but I can tell you all of this: Tangy's sire is a dog named Ajax. He was a nice dog, good drive. Not overdrive like Tang. He did have a full litter sister named Artimus who was VERY Drivey. SHe was also small. Ajax was a bit of an ass. I hate to say it but it is true. He cold be agressive with other dogs and his owner, Lisa, was very aware of this. Tangy's mom, Jesse, was just a nice dog. She did not have titles when she was bred but was the sweetest GSD I had ever met. Her parents were nice working dogs as well. Again, drive, but not over drive. I would consider them above average. When the breeding was done, I was on the list as I LOVED ARTI. I was hoping her drive would come out of this cross. IT DID. Tangy was mine from the beginning, according to Bonnie (Jesse's owner) and Lisa (Ajax's owner). She showed her true colors from day 1 and they knew she would not be suitable for a pet home. I initally refused her as I was going through some rough stuff but they persevered and she came to NJ to live. Yes, Jen is right, he size helps BUT...in the open video she is running at 24inches. SHe has that drive at 20, 24 and 26. It is just her. I worked very hard not to kill any of it. She is the most talented dog I have ever trained and arguablly one of the fastest GSD out there. (ok, I said arguably! there are some pretty fast ones out there!) SHe won the top 20 event at the GSDCA national this past year. I thank GOD every day that she ended up with me and I could be so honored to train and run such a special dog. I did breed her this past year and she had 5 beautiful girls. I kept 1 (Rev) and the others all went to performance homes. One of them is with Gordon Simmions-Moake who is the owner and trainer of the number 1 GSD in agility for the past few years. Again, I am not sure where the drive came from as it was an outcross but I can tell you her daughter has even more (if that is possible!) SHe is a spitfire and yes, is a peanut too! She is only 45 lbs and probably measures 21 1/2 inches. The sire, Bandit, is a well know V rated, Shutzhund 3 dog imported from Germany. Although h is not huge, he certainly is not small and I am surprised my Revvy is so little....oh well, more 20 inch classes for me! Any more questions on her, please let me know. I love to talk about her! __________________ Marisa and the Dizzy dogs www.dizzydogs.com Draven and Tang and Baby Rev the GSDs Tony-O, Kazi, Houdini, Chrissy, Tinkerbell, and Treasure the Flyin' chins Waiting at the Bridge: Schnapps the GSD Bandi the BC

07-19-2011, 04:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
wildo Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,230	Thanks so much for the reply Marisa! You have one amazing dog- that's for sure. I will take my reply offline to PM's in order to keep this thread on topic. __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL1-R, CL1-S, CL1-F, CGC

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