I see a lot of people say "West German"

[slefferd]

This west german blood lines is a term I see a lot. My dog seems to be from these lines as well. What are these lines primarily composed of? working, show etc?
Heres a copy of my 5 gen online pedigree. The format is a little hard to read, but its decipherable.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1.../edit?hl=en_US#

Other than what the breeder says, how do I know that my lines come from west germany?

[Lucy Dog]

There's west german show lines (typical black and reds) and there's the west german working lines (sables, blacks, bi's, etc). Big difference between the two.

I tried clicking on your link, but it says "you don't have permission to access this item. You can request access from the owner or sign-in as a different user." Could you possibly post the pedigree as a picture?

Here's a little cheat sheet that briefly explains the different lines. Breed Types & Related Families

What lines did your breeder say the pup was from? Any reputable breeder will know what kind of dogs they're breeding.

[slefferd]

[slefferd]

Wilson Von Stadfeld is teh most prominet dog in the pedigree that I have found, Ill try to get a better pic of this thing

[carmspack]

west german is a descriptive short hand which describes the heritage of the dogs background from gsd born of czech bloodlines or east german bloodlines which were isolated due to geo politics.
This also separates gsd which have for generations been bred on american/domestic bred dogs , basically for akc/ckc conformation exhibition without benefit of testing for working ability via schutzhund trailing/evaluation.
Then the next compartment would be either the deliberate selection of show lines or working lines which became and continue to to be separate from each other based on priorities , external uniformity or service and function .

Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

[slefferd]

[slefferd]

On my dogs fathers side, I was able to get actual pictures of most of the dogs for up to 5 generations back. I thought this was very productive!
On the other hand, the mothers side is less well documented.
Has anyone else had luck getting pictures of that far back?
Hows the pedigree look to all you pedigree buffs out there? either way, the dog is awesome!

[slefferd]

Originally Posted by Lucy Dog

There's west german show lines (typical black and reds) and there's the west german working lines (sables, blacks, bi's, etc). Big difference between the two.

I tried clicking on your link, but it says "you don't have permission to access this item. You can request access from the owner or sign-in as a different user." Could you possibly post the pedigree as a picture?

Here's a little cheat sheet that briefly explains the different lines. Breed Types & Related Families

What lines did your breeder say the pup was from? Any reputable breeder will know what kind of dogs they're breeding.

Well, My "breeder" wasnt actually reputable in terms of what you all call good breeders. Not in my opinion anyways, but I checked out the pedigree before buying teh pup and was impressed. now that I am doing research on the lineage, i'm even more empressed (at least on his fathers fathers side) Although some say im easily impressed, id like to get you experts opinion.

[Lucy Dog]

Sire: Fargo Vom Kraftwerk - German shepherd dog

Dam: Yankee NJ Greco - German shepherd dog

Not much info on the dam's side and a pretty interesting breeding...

Maybe some of the experts can help on the sire's side... ie carmen hopefully

[slefferd]

Originally Posted by Lucy Dog

Sire: Fargo Vom Kraftwerk - German shepherd dog

Dam: Yankee NJ Greco - German shepherd dog

Not much info on the dam's side and a pretty interesting breeding...

Maybe some of the experts can help on the sire's side... ie carmen hopefully

Yes, I agree, my limited knowledge, but I love teh Sires side. Heres what the kennel says about Wilson Vom Stadtfeld, my dogs paternal grandfather.

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"Winner of the 2007 AKC Working Dog Sport GSDCA National Championship Cup! Click here to see the Champion perform. Large and substantial mahogany sable with a lion-like head. Correct structure with especially massive bone strength. Breed surveys states that he is especially powerfully built, very good angulations front and rear with pronounced masculine characteristics. Self-confident and spirited attitude with firm and steady nerve base. Rock-solid temperament and great with children. Tremendous working character with a great desire to perform, no need to build drive to work. Champion of the first GSDCA WDS National Trial recognized by AKC, scoring 99 points in tracking, 98 in obedience and 99 in protection, finishing with a phenomenal score of 296. Winner of the SV Ortsgruppe Rheine-Hauenhorst with 96 points in obedience and 99 points in protection. SchH1 score is 100-88-98=286V, SchH2 93-96-94=283SG, SchH3 scores are 93-94-95=283SG, 98-92-97=287V, 100-91-96=287V. One of the quickest dogs you will ever see in obedience, demonstrating full power along with correct execution of the exercises. Shows his capacity to solve problems and concentrate with calm and methodical deep nose tracking technique. Hardness and fighting drive especially pronounced, the more he is challenged the stronger he will become. Grips are always full and hard with tremendous power and speed to the helper. Comes from a long line of top performing BSP competitors. Sire is the well-known top competitor and producer Cay vom Zapfempflucker SchH3,V rated at the LGA. Bloodline goes back to Pike von der Schafbachmuhle, Branka vom Pendel Bach, Fado Karthago. Mother is V rated Rabia vom Stadtfeld SchH3, a repeat breeding of the highly successful mating between Etzel and Hera Stadtfeld. The line is known for great looks, outstanding temperament and high trainability. Hips certified a2 and elbows a1Winner of the 2007 AKC Working Dog Sport GSDCA National Championship Cup! Click here to see the Champion perform. Large and substantial mahogany sable with a lion-like head. Correct structure with especially massive bone strength. Breed surveys states that he is especially powerfully built, very good angulations front and rear with pronounced masculine characteristics. Self-confident and spirited attitude with firm and steady nerve base. Rock-solid temperament and great with children. Tremendous working character with a great desire to perform, no need to build drive to work. Champion of the first GSDCA WDS National Trial recognized by AKC, scoring 99 points in tracking, 98 in obedience and 99 in protection, finishing with a phenomenal score of 296. Winner of the SV Ortsgruppe Rheine-Hauenhorst with 96 points in obedience and 99 points in protection. SchH1 score is 100-88-98=286V, SchH2 93-96-94=283SG, SchH3 scores are 93-94-95=283SG, 98-92-97=287V, 100-91-96=287V. One of the quickest dogs you will ever see in obedience, demonstrating full power along with correct execution of the exercises. Shows his capacity to solve problems and concentrate with calm and methodical deep nose tracking technique. Hardness and fighting drive especially pronounced, the more he is challenged the stronger he will become. Grips are always full and hard with tremendous power and speed to the helper. Comes from a long line of top performing BSP competitors. Sire is the well-known top competitor and producer Cay vom Zapfempflucker SchH3,V rated at the LGA. Bloodline goes back to Pike von der Schafbachmuhle, Branka vom Pendel Bach, Fado Karthago. Mother is V rated Rabia vom Stadtfeld SchH3, a repeat breeding of the highly successful mating between Etzel and Hera Stadtfeld. The line is known for great looks, outstanding temperament and high trainability. Hips certified a2 and elbows a1"