Reverse Pedigree Search

laughaha · 04-12-2011, 09:34 PM

Hi, new to this forum. Grew up with WGSD's who had alot of drive and were, well, perfect (for us). Extremely sound in mind and body. I have been trying for a long time to figure out how to see if anyone has our old bloodline and is breeding great wgsds. I've seen alot of nice looking WGSD's, but all were either very neurotic or very soft tempered. Our foundation bitch= AKC#D799744, "Christy" was born Jan 3, 89 in HI. Is there any way to find this info out? Any help would be greatly greatly appreciated.

I didn't have any luck searching the pedigreedatabase nor the akc website.

Also, what are some great working lines of WGSD's? I'm interested in schutzhund/advanced obedience/herding lines. I do know the difference between pet/show/working lines and I want the working temperament.

GSDElsa · 04-12-2011, 09:44 PM

I can't help much in your search...but I don't know if there are really considered schutzhund/ob/herding lines in WGSD's. In generally, I don't know how consistently these dogs are working in those venues that you would have specific lines to go to.

But someone else might have another suggestion.

laughaha · 04-12-2011, 09:53 PM

Thanks for responding so quickly!! That would explain why I'm having so much trouble finding a WGSD that isn't a lab in a gsd body. Nothing wrong with an outgoing friendly dog, but I want the drive and temperament of my beloved Fugi- My soulmate who passed away a couple years ago. Her AKC name was Jasmine's Little Fugi, but her papers are buried in a tote somewhere. Christy was her mother. Father's name was Ono Ke Aloha Keiki Kane (a red and black as there were NO other white GSD's in PA that we knew of and liked). I think Fugi was born Oct 18th, 1995. The day/month is correct but the year may be off a little.

**jocoyn** · 04-13-2011, 12:15 AM

What about considering working lines if you want the working temperament?

BlackthornGSD · 04-13-2011, 12:20 AM

You might search on Swiss Shepherds--the European white GSDs have been "re-grouped" under this name and you might be able to find some more dogs with working backgrounds.

**jocoyn** · 04-13-2011, 12:30 AM

LOL my apologies - I was thinking West German Showlines not white GSD. Its late.

Whiteshepherds · 04-13-2011, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by laughaha

I have been trying for a long time to figure out how to see if anyone has our old bloodline and is breeding great wgsds. I've seen alot of nice looking WGSD's, but all were either very neurotic or very soft tempered. Our foundation bitch= AKC#D799744, "Christy" was born Jan 3, 89 in HI. Is there any way to find this info out? Any help would be greatly greatly appreciated.

Did you breed Christy? (Koppen's Frosted Crystal Bear) I noticed you called her your foundation bitch.

KLCecil · 04-13-2011, 02:44 AM

My bitch is a cross between German show and German working lines. With training she could achieve a Sch title and she has been tested on sheep and will excel in that venue also. Right now she is a bit on the "friendly side" but I think it’s a maturity thing.

laughaha · 04-13-2011, 10:43 AM

Yes, we did breed Christy 4 times (I think). Once in Hawaii, and three times in PA.

I've thought about getting another color, but I grew up with White GSD's and I really love them and would prefer to find a white working temperament GSD. While I know that I'll never get Fugi back, I do want her drive, energy level and temperament in my next GSD. She was only limited by my inexperience and age (I was 15 when she was born). She knew over well over 50 commands- verbal, hand signal and some in whistles; could track, do agility (homemade), ran 5 miles almost daily, had incredible ball drive, actually had a herding instinct and would help get the neighbors cows back in the fence when they got out. Now that I'm older and can afford trainers (and the gas to drive a few hours to get to a really good one) I want to do everything I could never afford to do with her. Oh and she was drop dead gorgeous. I know she would never have been show worthy, but she was definitely a working dog. I'll have to try to figure out a way to get some of her pics on my laptop.

laughaha · 04-13-2011, 10:53 AM

Had'nt thought about looking up European working lines of wgsd's. That would make sense due to Christy's parents were working protection dogs. I don't know if they were schutzhund trained or personal protection trained but they were working dogs owned by a couple on Oahu.

Will definitely start searching European lines. Any known lines in US?

04-12-2011, 09:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
laughaha New Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: PA Posts: 6	Reverse Pedigree Search Hi, new to this forum. Grew up with WGSD's who had alot of drive and were, well, perfect (for us). Extremely sound in mind and body. I have been trying for a long time to figure out how to see if anyone has our old bloodline and is breeding great wgsds. I've seen alot of nice looking WGSD's, but all were either very neurotic or very soft tempered. Our foundation bitch= AKC#D799744, "Christy" was born Jan 3, 89 in HI. Is there any way to find this info out? Any help would be greatly greatly appreciated. I didn't have any luck searching the pedigreedatabase nor the akc website. Also, what are some great working lines of WGSD's? I'm interested in schutzhund/advanced obedience/herding lines. I do know the difference between pet/show/working lines and I want the working temperament.

04-12-2011, 09:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
GSDElsa Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central, NY Posts: 3,706	I can't help much in your search...but I don't know if there are really considered schutzhund/ob/herding lines in WGSD's. In generally, I don't know how consistently these dogs are working in those venues that you would have specific lines to go to. But someone else might have another suggestion. __________________ Justine, mom to: - Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins" - Medo Aritar Bastet - "The Beast From The East"

04-13-2011, 12:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
jocoyn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,036	What about considering working lines if you want the working temperament? __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Grim (Grimmy Bear) & Beau (Bo-dee man) Waiting at the Bridge: Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

04-13-2011, 12:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
BlackthornGSD Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central Virginia Posts: 1,094	You might search on Swiss Shepherds--the European white GSDs have been "re-grouped" under this name and you might be able to find some more dogs with working backgrounds. __________________ Christine Blackthorn Working German Shepherds

04-13-2011, 12:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
jocoyn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,036	LOL my apologies - I was thinking West German Showlines not white GSD. Its late. __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Grim (Grimmy Bear) & Beau (Bo-dee man) Waiting at the Bridge: Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

04-12-2011, 09:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
laughaha New Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: PA Posts: 6	Thanks for responding so quickly!! That would explain why I'm having so much trouble finding a WGSD that isn't a lab in a gsd body. Nothing wrong with an outgoing friendly dog, but I want the drive and temperament of my beloved Fugi- My soulmate who passed away a couple years ago. Her AKC name was Jasmine's Little Fugi, but her papers are buried in a tote somewhere. Christy was her mother. Father's name was Ono Ke Aloha Keiki Kane (a red and black as there were NO other white GSD's in PA that we knew of and liked). I think Fugi was born Oct 18th, 1995. The day/month is correct but the year may be off a little.

04-13-2011, 02:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
KLCecil Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Randolph AFB, TX Posts: 244	My bitch is a cross between German show and German working lines. With training she could achieve a Sch title and she has been tested on sheep and will excel in that venue also. Right now she is a bit on the "friendly side" but I think it’s a maturity thing. __________________ ~Kimberly Cecil~ Cataclysm von Dagg "Jaina"

04-13-2011, 10:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
laughaha New Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: PA Posts: 6	Yes, we did breed Christy 4 times (I think). Once in Hawaii, and three times in PA. I've thought about getting another color, but I grew up with White GSD's and I really love them and would prefer to find a white working temperament GSD. While I know that I'll never get Fugi back, I do want her drive, energy level and temperament in my next GSD. She was only limited by my inexperience and age (I was 15 when she was born). She knew over well over 50 commands- verbal, hand signal and some in whistles; could track, do agility (homemade), ran 5 miles almost daily, had incredible ball drive, actually had a herding instinct and would help get the neighbors cows back in the fence when they got out. Now that I'm older and can afford trainers (and the gas to drive a few hours to get to a really good one) I want to do everything I could never afford to do with her. Oh and she was drop dead gorgeous. I know she would never have been show worthy, but she was definitely a working dog. I'll have to try to figure out a way to get some of her pics on my laptop.

04-13-2011, 10:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
laughaha New Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: PA Posts: 6	Had'nt thought about looking up European working lines of wgsd's. That would make sense due to Christy's parents were working protection dogs. I don't know if they were schutzhund trained or personal protection trained but they were working dogs owned by a couple on Oahu. Will definitely start searching European lines. Any known lines in US?

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