Piko Bret Bett

[JanaeUlva]

I have seen breeder website/litter information emphasizing Piko Bret Bett (Rudi) where they have lines to him. I am wondering what information people have about "Rudi" beyond what I could find repeated around the different websites.

What I could find is this:
VELMI DOBRY - 5VQ1/P (Very Good - what is 5VQ1/P)??
PIKO is a large, strong dark sable male with strong bones and strong head, self-confident in any situation. He has strong ball and prey drives, at the same time he's naturally sharp,capable of immediate biting. PIKO is an easily trainable dog which is proven by the number of titles he's completed.

In my pups pedigree, Piko was bred to Java Neresnicka dolina and does anybody have input on this particular pairing?

Thanks, I am trying to learn more about the dogs in Minka's pedigree and I hope I can understand/recognize how these lines might express themselves in her.

[horsegirl]

sorry I can't help , but Piko is gorgeous!!!!!

[GSDElsa]

The only dog I know in either pedigree is Cordon An Sat (but I'm clueless about Czech and Slovac(?) lines.

I can't offer info for you, but I'm just post for a bump that maybe Cliff will see since he's the resident East Bloc man

[cliffson1]

Its late at night and I briefly glanced at thi post. I really don't know what is being asked by OP. I think that Piko is probably a very very nice dog. I doubt that he can consistently produce what he is. JMO I also think that the mate to Piko is very important as his pedigree is so different from sire to dam. His sire Furos has very nice genetics. His dam side is not particularly to my liking....doesn't make it bad, just not what I am looking for to breed. There are other things that are not my cup of tea, but again remember part of breeding is the match with two individuals and the other part is the strengths and weaknesses of ancestory and depth of line/inbreeding forming the recombinations of genes to shape traits. A lot to look at and not really fair to speculate in open forum some of my concerns.

[JanaeUlva]

Hi Clff, thanks for the quick look. To clarify my question - there has been emphasize on the presence of Piko in the pedigree and I am wondering if anyone has more info about Piko beyond the simple statement I found and posted.

Also wondering what 5VQ1/P means.

Finally, wondering about the combination of Piko and Java. This combination makes up the dam (Ria) to my dog, Minka.

Thanks! Any observations are welcome.

[gagsd]

Jinopo.CZ

[gagsd]

5
required strength, build, refinement
height:
Dog: 63 - 65 cm
Female: 58 - 60 cm

V
wolf grey, dark features

Q
dark pigment

1
considerable hardness, courage and willingness to fight

P
let go sleeve on handler's order

[cliffson1]

When analyzing those letters/numbers, most people look at last two and look for 1 and P. If the number is other than 1 and the letter is N, then it is not considered the best. The letter N connotes that the dog engaged but didnot release the sleeve when commanded. This can be due to training, hardness, or nerves. With many thin nerved dogs they find comfort in the sleeve and won't release. Neverless, you want to see P and not N.

[cliffson1]

Also why the emphasis on Piko in the pedigree. He is not strongly enough linebred to have an inordinate influence in the pedigree. I would think he brings any more than the other dogs in the pedigree in similar positions and maybe not as much. I guess what I am trying to say is that with a pedigree like Piko, what he is, is probably not as important as what he is made up of.

[JanaeUlva]

Originally Posted by cliffson1

Also why the emphasis on Piko in the pedigree. He is not strongly enough linebred to have an inordinate influence in the pedigree. I would think he brings any more than the other dogs in the pedigree in similar positions and maybe not as much. I guess what I am trying to say is that with a pedigree like Piko, what he is, is probably not as important as what he is made up of.

That makes sense totally to me. I have been wondering how each individual would affect the total especially with the lack of line breeding.

Below is what was stated about the pairing of Ria & Erri and thus my specific interest in this one dog in the pedigree.

"Ria has been imported to breed to Erri z Blatenskeho Zamku. Ria comes from very strong Czech border patrol working lines. Her sire Piko Bret Bett has produced many very serious working dogs in the Czech Republic and the United States. She should produce all black and black sable pups with very strong heads and strong temperaments."

I enjoy reading the posts specific to what a dog/line brings to a pedigree. As time goes on and with involvement in the dog sports I can also learn firsthand.

So I thank everyone who has tried to help me learn more about pedigrees.