Hmm... what do you guys think?

[WeLuvGSD]

Well, i have more questions lol. I've been doing a lot of research on bloodlines, and titles, pricing for certain lines and training etc. Though i'm becoming very drawn to Schutzhund... but (there normally always is one lol), i've been trying to get my fiance atleast semi involved in my research. Anyways, when i was showing him dogs from working lines (German, DDR etc), he thought they were appealing, then when i came across a german showline puppy he just loved the look of him. I get it, when we (me and my fiance) think about a german shepherd we normally think about a black/tan or black/red. I myself have always preferred what you would call a showline bred dog (as far as looks). But like i said i'm just getting more and more interested in Schutzhund, i'm mostly seeing sables and bi-color (and of course black lol) for working lines.

Well here's the kicker... i just ran across a breeder who has a pair of black/red shepherds that produced a litter. The thing is, by looking at the dogs you'd assume showlines, (humped back, coloring, the way they stack). But when you look at the pedigree there all working titled (ScHH)? Is this common, if so would it be possible to get a showline "looking" dog but with the prey drive and nerves to compete as a working dog? The parents of the breeding are also both ScHH2 titled, im just kind of shocked. Could it be they are technically showline bred, just were able to succeed in ScHH? Would you recommend even considering buying this kind of puppy for ScHH, or possibly an adult. I feel bad thinking about picking one type of bloodline over the other because one is well... "nicer" looking in my eye then the other. But everybody wants the complete package, so if i could get the dog that appeals to me, my family and my competitive interest, should that be what i start looking for?

[Emoore]

Originally Posted by WeLuvGSD

Well here's the kicker... i just ran across a breeder who has a pair of black/red shepherds that produced a litter. The thing is, by looking at the dogs you'd assume showlines, (humped back, coloring, the way they stack). But when you look at the pedigree there all working titled (ScHH)? Is this common, if so would it be possible to get a showline "looking" dog but with the prey drive and nerves to compete as a working dog? The parents of the breeding are also both ScHH2 titled, im just kind of shocked. Could it be they are technically showline bred, just were able to succeed in ScHH? Would you recommend even considering buying this kind of puppy for ScHH, or possibly an adult. I feel bad thinking about picking one type of bloodline over the other because one is well... "nicer" looking in my eye then the other. But everybody wants the complete package, so if i could get the dog that appeals to me, my family and my competitive interest, should that be what i start looking for?

Under the German system, both working lines and show lines must title in Schutzhund in order to be approved for breeding. So naturally you see a lot of German show lines with SchH titles in their pedigree. However, if you watch a lot of show line dogs compete in Schutzhund, and you watch a lot of working line dogs compete in Shutzhund, you will start to feel like you are watching two different sports.

What do you call the guy who graduated lowest in his class in medical school?
"Doctor."

All SchHIII's are not created equal. One guy might be starting quarterback for Notre Dame, one guy might be starting quarter back for Our Lady of Perpetual Sorrows University. Does that mean they're both equally good at football, or both equally likely to get a pro contract?

Can you do SchH with a show line dog? Absolutely. But if your goal is to do very very well, score high, and get into the higher levels, you'll want a working line dog. If you want a black and red dog who is also able to compete in the sport, a show line dog should do well, especially if you get one whose parents and grandparents did it. Also, if you are new to the sport, starting with a working line dog will probably be easier than starting with a show line dog.

[carmspack]

no they are all titled in sch h which may mean something or not . This is a breeding prerequisite in Germany.
Know what you want .
Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

[carmspack]

I meant to add if you have the pedigree or the name of the parents post it on the forum.
A decision can't and won't be made for you. The dogs might be out of this world ideal for someone and a total write off for another.
Know what you want.
Carmen
http:/www.carmspack.com

[WeLuvGSD]

Ok, thanks for the information. I was mostly going to start out in the future with a female to get in to Schutzhund for well just fun, but with the intentions of possibly becoming a breeder later on (if the bitch proves to be breeding worthy). But to be honest, IMO if i were to become a breeder i'd want to bring Schutzhund to a higher level in my breeding program like you suggested, so if that case were to inquire i would want working line bred dogs. To be honest im looking threw pedigreedatabase at the puppies, and it seems breeders are trying to pass show line bred dogs as working dogs? I dont know if i consider this opening the yes to buyer of the full potential or trying to trick people in to believing there buying a working bred dog?...

[Emoore]

May I suggest something?

Go spend a lot of time around dogs. It doesn't sound like you know exactly what you want, and --forgive me-- it doesn't sound like you know a lot about this yet. The best way to learn is not to ask questions on a forum, but to go visit your local Schutzhund club, watch the different dogs work, and talk to their owners. After you watch the dogs for a while, you'll start to get a much clearer idea of what kind of dogs you like and what kind you really don't like. Then, once you start to get a good idea of what you like, you can talk to people about where they got those dogs.

[WeLuvGSD]

Originally Posted by carmspack

I meant to add if you have the pedigree or the name of the parents post it on the forum.
A decision can't and won't be made for you. The dogs might be out of this world ideal for someone and a total write off for another.
Know what you want.
Carmen
http:/www.carmspack.com

Didn't see your post until after i already posted. Anyways, here is the Dam:
SG Baylee vom Smalley


she said the sire is listed on pedigreedatabase as well (atleast that's what it said on her website) but i couldnt find him, i only found the dam. Anyways, his name is Garth vom Mittlewest.

[carmspack]

And don't become a breeder till you really really know what you are doing.
Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

[WeLuvGSD]

Originally Posted by Emoore

May I suggest something?

Go spend a lot of time around dogs. It doesn't sound like you know exactly what you want, and --forgive me-- it doesn't sound like you know a lot about this yet. The best way to learn is not to ask questions on a forum, but to go visit your local Schutzhund club, watch the different dogs work, and talk to their owners. After you watch the dogs for a while, you'll start to get a much clearer idea of what kind of dogs you like and what kind you really don't like. Then, once you start to get a good idea of what you like, you can talk to people about where they got those dogs.

I plan on it, i plan on joining United Schutzhund Clubs Of American and going to local shows to watch. I've also been watching a lot of online videos (which got me interested in Schutzhund in the first place) .

[Emoore]

Dam:
SG Baylee vom Smalley - German shepherd dog

Sire:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/germ...html?id=649630