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Old 03-04-2011, 07:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Pup's pedigree?

When I purchased Freyja I did extensive research into the working line GSDs. Since coming here I realized that I knew only a fraction of what there was to know about the breed. Thus I'm opening it up to the board. Here is Freyja's pedigree. Please tell me what you think. I admit that the Tom van't Leefdaalhof got me thinking.

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I met Hexe and was impressed by her alertness and calm nature. Sadly Boss passed away from bloat 24 hours before I went to meet the parents. My fiance had met him years earlier when he brought Angus home. He said that Boss was extremely assertive and would "bump" his leg as he walked past him.
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Old 08-12-2011, 05:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This pedigree is a working bloodlines pedigree, combining German & Dutch working dogs & lines
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Old 08-12-2011, 06:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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You mean german and belgian?
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:57 AM   #4 (permalink)
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This is a very exciting pedigree ! Lucky you . Have to follow the development of this dog for sure.
Pedigree reads like music . Harmony , not a note that should not be there. Rhythm, an in and out and weaving of the 4 great founding groups without anything in excess or jarring.
You have a beautiful and rare consolidation of old (real) herding heritage. Many touches on Marko, beautiful to see the great Racker Itztal in there so often . Racker brings power , and controllability , and tremendous intelligence, easy trainability and handler connection. His herding comes in from Pirol Kirschental.
Perry Beilstein - good herding resource. You have Uwe Kirschental , good herding source . Kirschental when it was good . No Kirschental when it was great . You have checks and balances . When you have lines that are lower threshold you have them beautifully used with known "clicks" . You have a healthy supply of Bernd Lierberg and even the seldom seen brother Bodo .
(I have a dog working out in New Hampshire PD whose sire was saturated with Bodo -- that dog learned guard d'objet , knew immediately what to do the very first time and his power of response was intuitive -- innnate -- genetic obedience) .

I would have bought this pup sight unseen , title or no title . This pedigree has all the potential in the world.

Just one thing , don't make a prey monkey out of him/her .

If you are doing schutzhund I would have the dog hang out around the home. Live with him normal as normal. Bond . Get that magic going between you, without bribery or treats . Just make being with you a rewarding pleasant experience. Challenge the grey cells.

Then when he is about 18 months take him to the club to do the training.

Respect his intelligence.


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Old 08-12-2011, 01:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have been seeing dogs going back to Quax v Patscherkofel more frequently recently. Carmen, what do you think him in a pedigree? What do you think he brings?

6 gen. pedigree for Quax vom Patscherkofel - German Shepherd Dog
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Old 08-12-2011, 03:45 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I like him very very much. Will answer in full later -- need to get myself ready for Saturday's market.
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very quickly -- balance and old working lines .
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I like alot of what Fuchsstein did....Tom over Neck makes me drool a bit....LOL I will eventually combine Tom with Ex though - a bit further back....Carmens analysis is right on....nicely bred pup.\


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Old 08-13-2011, 03:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I really like this ped as well. But then again I have a reason to be biased. Considering my males father is bred almost identically to Boss. Tom bred to Sannie. Trixie's full sister (different litter).

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