WGR (+ DDR/Czech) Pedigree Questions

[Rei]

Would really like to hear from Cliff, Christine, Chris, Lee, Lisa, Sue, Jklatsky, Carmspack and anyone else able to give me input on this pedigree and answer/speculate on a few specific questions.

Here is the 6 generation pedigree

6 generation pedigree for Qodiak vom HausReid

I know several members on this forum have already given input on the dam a while back
feelings on this pedigree? Rackwitz-Meute?

But I would like to hear about the sire's side and this breeding specifically.

This is basically West German working lines, but with DDR on the dam's side (M litter v Schwarzhorn and Gleisdreieck dogs with Lord further back) and a bit of Czech on the sire's side (Cent An-Sat who is littermate to Cordon An-Sat).

Here is what I have heard - the sire has been known to produce a fair degree of sharpness. I do not know about the other dogs in the pedigree, but I have heard that Cordon An-Sat was also known to produce sharper dogs. Does anyone recognize any of the other dogs among the more recent generations that may have passed down this trait?

Also, while I would say that this litter is probably more suited for sport, rather than strictly companionship or real work, I also would like to know if the pedigree may point to a dog with all around, real working potential, and what dogs contribute to that and what dogs may contribute to the more "sportier" qualities. The prey drive is high and thresholds are relatively low, and as far as being "locked in prey" (referring to Cliff's thread), well, his attention can be diverted but he has also been known to tune me out if a cat that's running by gets his attention first - but this seems limited to just cats outside the house (I actually believe the pedigree is Fero and Troll free). However, he is also becoming a more serious dog in maturity, showing the signs of being able to assess a situation and act accordingly.

Would really appreciate it if anyone can share their analysis, experience, or thoughts or even just confirm something. I'd be happy to hear if I completely off base with anything as well! Hoping to learn from this.

[lhczth]

Interesting. He has some very strong mother lines though there is some show stuff mixed in here and there. Have you seen the dog in question? At two, you should be able to evaluate the dog for your needs based on him.

[Rei]

Lisa - Thank you for responding! This is actually my dog Trent I was looking for thoughts not because I am looking for another dog, but so I can learn and apply what I have read and heard.

I did not realize Trent was part show lines! May I ask which dogs specifically?

I did not mention this was Trent initially because I didn't want anyone to have reservations when it comes to picking the pedigree apart. I want to hear the full of everyone's speculations/experiences/thoughts.

[lhczth]

I am not sure I would call him part showlines. He just carries some lines in places I don't like to see them. I'm kind of picky that way.

[BlackthornGSD]

What dogs are you considering to be show lines?

[Rei]

Lisa, could you please elaborate? Like I said before, I don't mind hearing any negative opinions. He is not a working or competitive sport prospect either way and was bought as a pet/companion and that's what he does best! I really just see this as a learning tool for me and anyone else interested. Would truly love to hear your thoughts and experiences as I value your opinion a great deal.

[lhczth]

As I said, this is a personal choice. I don't want to see Canto Wienerau or anything going back on him. He is hard to avoid, but the less there is the better. Yes, these dogs are back a little ways.

V Vello von Unterhain is out of Canto weak sister, Cilly.

V1(BSZS) Dando aus Nordrheinland I know he was crossed a lot with working lines to bring improvement in structure, but he has far too many lines back to Canto for my tastes.

There are more, but I have the flu and I am finding looking at the computer screen unpleasant. This is a personal choice and I am sure people will disagree with me.


On a positive, he has some really strong mother lines through Matsch Bungalow (I am doing a breeding with linebreeding on Matsch (great dog that brought excellent aggression), Freia Lindenhalle, Afra Stoppenberger Land, Lady vom Salztalblick
, just to name a few.

[cliffson1]

I like the pedigree a lot because of the diversity in the lines and some really really nice working dogs in the pedigree. Not a pedigree for uniformity, but certainly one for working dogs.

[Emoore]

Lisa, when you get to feeling better (which I hope is soon!) could you elaborate on what you dislike about Canto?

[Rei]

Originally Posted by lhczth

As I said, this is a personal choice. I don't want to see Canto Wienerau or anything going back on him. He is hard to avoid, but the less there is the better. Yes, these dogs are back a little ways.

V Vello von Unterhain is out of Canto weak sister, Cilly.

V1(BSZS) Dando aus Nordrheinland I know he was crossed a lot with working lines to bring improvement in structure, but he has far too many lines back to Canto for my tastes.

There are more, but I have the flu and I am finding looking at the computer screen unpleasant. This is a personal choice and I am sure people will disagree with me.


On a positive, he has some really strong mother lines through Matsch Bungalow (I am doing a breeding with linebreeding on Matsch (great dog that brought excellent aggression), Freia Lindenhalle, Afra Stoppenberger Land, Lady vom Salztalblick
, just to name a few.

Thanks Lisa, I appreciate it. Hope you are feeling better soon!!

Originally Posted by cliffson1

I like the pedigree a lot because of the diversity in the lines and some really really nice working dogs in the pedigree. Not a pedigree for uniformity, but certainly one for working dogs.

Glad you chimed in Cliff! I know you mentioned before that there are some lines favored for sport and others favored for actual work in this pedigree.

I think this litter produced dogs that are versatile as well - Trent has good nerves from what I have seen, and as the "pet quality" dog of the litter his prey drive is more moderate than that of many, but he possesses a certain degree of sharpness, a very natural instinct for protection and appropriate aggression (the ability to judge a situation and act accordingly) but also he can turn off and on and listen to direction even with a perceived threat presented before him in a real life situation. Because of this, I believed that under a better handler there may be a potential for a dog like him to be a sport dog, working dog, or companion dog. Of course there are plenty of faults - not as biddable as the ideal GSD should be, rather poor impulse control, low thresholds (although I know some people will not see it as a fault), etc.

Does this description surprise you, or do you think you can see where the genetics came into play? If you have the time, could you describe the pros and cons of this combination as a whole? This dog is not yet mature (at 2 years old) and I would be interested in hearing what one may or may not see.