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Old 01-11-2011, 10:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Ferro, Troll, and Mink

I keep hearing these three names over and over again. . . "This dog is heavily bred on Ferro and Troll," or "This dog has a lot of Mink."

But when I look at pedigrees there are sometimes several different dogs in a 5-generation pedigree named Ferro or Troll. Fewer named Mink, but there's still more than one.

So. . . . which ones are you referring to?
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Mink vom Haus Wittfeld
Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich
Troll von der Bosen Nachbarschaft (a son of Fero)
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Mink-
SG Mink vom Haus Wittfeld - German shepherd dog

Fero-
V Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich - German shepherd dog

Troll- There are 2 that are talked about.
One is a fero son. His brotehr Timmy is also well regarded and you will see line breeding on the T-litter
V Troll von der bösen Nachbarschaft - German shepherd dog

This is the other.
Troll Vom Haus Milinda - German shepherd dog
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Actually there is a 3rd common Troll, Troll Korbelbach.

But 99.99999% of the time when people say "Troll" they mean Troll vd BN. And if they don't, they'll usually specify one of the others because it's otherwise generally assumed to be Troll vd BN.
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Hey look at that! Mink is a grandson of Greif Lahntal!

I think my head's gonna explode.
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For fun...

Daryl Ehret put out this chart that shows some of the interelatedness of the different dogs in bloodlines.

http://www.ehretgsd.com/BloodColor.pdf
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Ok, so if I took some $200 AKC GSD off Craigslist. Max vom Backyard, son of Mike vom Backyard and Missy vom Backyard and traced Max's pedigree far enough, would I eventually get to Fero, Troll, Mink, and Greif? I guess I'm trying to figure out how prevalent these dogs are in the breed.
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If Max vom Backyard came from West German Workinglines...I would say that these dogs are in a good number of pedigrees.

However these dogs are from the 80s...And while that is probably still genetically significant on today's workingline dogs...probably not very important if Max vom Backyard is from a longer line of American bred showdogs. In the 80s the camps were established so you didn't see much crossover between the workingline dogs and say the showlines- you'd have to go further back to see a more uniform Shepherd and be able to pinpoint a more universal common ancestor.
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It used to Be that dogs were sometimes mentioned as "Fero free" for breeding purposes. Not that he was bad, but if desiring to outcross one might have to look for such. He was in a number of west working breedings. My male is 5-5 on him.
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Now it is almost impossible to find a working line pedigree without Fero in it, at least with the Western European lines. I feel there is very real concern over genetic bottlenecking in these lines due to the overuse of Fero in many cases. Not that Fero was necessarily bad, but to see the same dog in practically every pedigree, often multiple times, is worrisome.
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