To Spay or not to Spay - Page 6

selzer · 03-08-2010, 07:00 PM

I got Arwen spayed at almost seven years because she was under anyways and I would not ever breed her again (retired). Since then, she has had urinary tract infections, a low thyroid number, and I am afraid some spay incontinence as well. I do not intend to do this again unless I have a problem.

APBTLove · 03-08-2010, 07:05 PM

Had mine spayed later in life, she was fine, made it to fifteen and died from bloat, but just the day before that she was running.. Incontinence can happen with females as they age, Dutch was incontinent for a while.

selzer · 03-08-2010, 07:48 PM

But Arwen is not yet nine. No way will I let her share my bed if she will leak on it. this is the sad part about having a dog that is not old but has spay incontinance. It happens to young dogs. A fifteen year old dog is probably not leaping up onto the bed anymore.

mysablegsd · 03-08-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by roxy84

to this point, i still believe the likelihood of mammary cancer and other health concern outweigh the possible health concerns that are borne from spaying.

my dogs have free reign of alot of acreage. the perimiter is fenced, but would not be completely unbreachable from a determined dog given enough time (though my dogs are not out of sight long enough and are only out when i am outside the house). i am happy to provide my dogs with this lifestyle, but i spay to eliminate even the smallest risk that exists. health considerations do play into the equation for me and if i am ever convinced that any potential health problems created by spaying outweigh the benefits, i will reconsider my poisition.

anecdotally, every female ive ever owned has been spayed by before the age of 1 and all have lived well past their breeds life expectancy, so i will admit my personal experience influences my attitude.

All well and good until you lose your heart dog that you waited years for to a botched spay by a butcher with a vet degree.

**JeanKBBMMMAAN** · 03-08-2010, 11:04 PM

That is SO sad, I cannot even imagine.

Most dogs at some point need to have some kind of procedure done...females, even in those studies I believe, should eventually be spayed before a pyometra, etc happens, we have to have our dogs operated on for bloat, orthopedic issues, or other things. We need to find a vet we feel comfortable with should our dogs need these surgeries, many of which will save their lives. Because if we need to have something done, we want to make sure that we have that relationship with them and trust that while there is no 100% they are capable and will try their best.

Urinary Incontinence in Dogs treatment information for incontinence.

Doc · 03-09-2010, 10:33 AM

Pyometra is a bacterial infection that can occur in intact females. Statically, pyometra affects about 23% of intact female dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs.

If it were me and I was concerned about pyometra, I would opt for an uterine spay where they only remove the uterus.

again, it's the owners call.

**MaggieRoseLee** · 03-09-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc

Pyometra is a bacterial infection that can occur in intact females. Statically, pyometra affects about 23% of intact female dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs.

If it were me and I was concerned about pyometra, I would opt for an uterine spay where they only remove the uterus.

again, it's the owners call.

To me, 1 out of 4 bitches getting pyometra is a HUGE number and not one I'm willing to take a chance on unless I was going to breed. Way rather schedule a spay surgery with a vet I know and trust, than take a chance on having to have and emergency surgery with the vet on duty and my now SICK dog if this flares up (and it's always weekends/nights/holidays when my dogs get afflicted).

Doc · 03-09-2010, 11:00 AM

Pyometra is not always deadly. There are two forms, opened and closed - closed being the worst because it is hard to detect and often fatal. Open pyometra is still bad but is slower to advance because of drainage.

The statement reads it affects 23% of intact dogs and kills about 1%. So statically, 22% that are affected do not die. Don't misread the figures and jump to conclusions.

Like I said, it's the owners call.

**JeanKBBMMMAAN** · 03-09-2010, 11:02 AM

Statistics are just that unless it's you with the pyometra! Being dogcentric, I personally wouldn't want my uterus to fill with pus, but maybe that's just me!

Doc · 03-09-2010, 11:10 AM

Well I'm sure you don't, as well as others. To base your decision to spay solely on the chances of weather your dog will get pyometra (after all, 77% are not affected) ... I guess it is sort of like the glass being 75% full or 25% empty.

And does the removal of the uterus outweigh all the benefits of not removing it? Again, based on the fact that 77% of intact females are not affected.

03-08-2010, 07:00 PM	#51 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 16,685	I got Arwen spayed at almost seven years because she was under anyways and I would not ever breed her again (retired). Since then, she has had urinary tract infections, a low thyroid number, and I am afraid some spay incontinence as well. I do not intend to do this again unless I have a problem. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

03-08-2010, 07:05 PM	#52 (permalink)
APBTLove Knighted Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,081	Had mine spayed later in life, she was fine, made it to fifteen and died from bloat, but just the day before that she was running.. Incontinence can happen with females as they age, Dutch was incontinent for a while. __________________ What IS a Pit Bull? Rescuing GSDs.

03-08-2010, 07:48 PM	#53 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 16,685	But Arwen is not yet nine. No way will I let her share my bed if she will leak on it. this is the sad part about having a dog that is not old but has spay incontinance. It happens to young dogs. A fifteen year old dog is probably not leaping up onto the bed anymore. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

03-08-2010, 11:04 PM	#55 (permalink)
JeanKBBMMMAAN The Rescues Rule Administrator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,147	That is SO sad, I cannot even imagine. Most dogs at some point need to have some kind of procedure done...females, even in those studies I believe, should eventually be spayed before a pyometra, etc happens, we have to have our dogs operated on for bloat, orthopedic issues, or other things. We need to find a vet we feel comfortable with should our dogs need these surgeries, many of which will save their lives. Because if we need to have something done, we want to make sure that we have that relationship with them and trust that while there is no 100% they are capable and will try their best. Urinary Incontinence in Dogs treatment information for incontinence. __________________ Help IMOM help Pets www.imom.org http://bigdogsbighearts.blogspot.com...rvo-girls.html

03-09-2010, 11:02 AM	#59 (permalink)
JeanKBBMMMAAN The Rescues Rule Administrator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,147	Statistics are just that unless it's you with the pyometra! Being dogcentric, I personally wouldn't want my uterus to fill with pus, but maybe that's just me! __________________ Help IMOM help Pets www.imom.org http://bigdogsbighearts.blogspot.com...rvo-girls.html

03-09-2010, 10:33 AM	#56 (permalink)
Doc Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,570	Pyometra is a bacterial infection that can occur in intact females. Statically, pyometra affects about 23% of intact female dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs. If it were me and I was concerned about pyometra, I would opt for an uterine spay where they only remove the uterus. again, it's the owners call.

03-09-2010, 11:00 AM	#58 (permalink)
Doc Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,570	Pyometra is not always deadly. There are two forms, opened and closed - closed being the worst because it is hard to detect and often fatal. Open pyometra is still bad but is slower to advance because of drainage. The statement reads it affects 23% of intact dogs and kills about 1%. So statically, 22% that are affected do not die. Don't misread the figures and jump to conclusions. Like I said, it's the owners call.

03-09-2010, 11:10 AM	#60 (permalink)
Doc Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,570	Well I'm sure you don't, as well as others. To base your decision to spay solely on the chances of weather your dog will get pyometra (after all, 77% are not affected) ... I guess it is sort of like the glass being 75% full or 25% empty. And does the removal of the uterus outweigh all the benefits of not removing it? Again, based on the fact that 77% of intact females are not affected.

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