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Flutter 04-15-2014 12:55 PM

Trouble Finding a Suitable Protein - Southern Ontario
Our dog has never really thrived. Went though 10+ kibbles trying to find a suitable one. Then tried raw and he did quite well but his allergies continued throughout the winter without getting better. Switched to a hydrolyzed protein prescription kibble to try and calm his immune system and prep him for allergy testing. Allergy testing is now complete and we're trying to find a more appropriate food for him.

Turns out he's allergic to:
-all birds
-all ruminants

So that leaves us with pork/boar and fish. I've found a pork meat/organ grind however it does not contain bone and therefore isn't suitable to feed. Any fish we've tried he's refused to eat nor have I found an affordable source. Our budget is limited.

We have found a kibble that doesn't contain anything that we know he's allergic to (Back to Basics Pork) but we'd like to at least feed some raw as that's what he's done best on so far. We're at a loss of how to do that though so I have a few questions.

1. How can we add pork/boar bone to this mix? I think I read that you can cook bones so much they turn to mush.
2. Is there a supplement we can use to replace the bone?
3. Are there other proteins that we haven't thought of and do you know of a source in Southern Ontario that we can get it from for <$3/lb? Llama and alpaca may be suitable proteins since they are pseudo ruminants.

carmspack 04-15-2014 01:10 PM

have you thought about changing his digestive system?

lots of raw feeders give pork neck bones - raw and meaty , or pork ribs.
fish ? you can get Indian Ocean tuna to feed whole.

where in southern Ontario are you?

Flutter 04-15-2014 01:54 PM

What exactly does changing his digestive system mean? All I'm thinking of is a major organ system transplant and I'm sure that's not what you mean :)

Are pork neck bones and ribs considered RMBs or recreational bones? Will he be able to eat those bones without damage to his teeth?

We're in the GTA. Willing to go as far south as the London area and north to the Barrie area.

carmspack 04-15-2014 02:44 PM

changing his digestive system means providing digestive enzymes so that all proteins are broken down into absorbable , digestible material. Hydrolizing does this , a form of pre-digestion.

Probiotics change the bacterial flora of the gut , once again allowing for maximum digestion.

The dog is sensitized to protein when larger molecules by pass digestion, enter the blood stream , where a response to eliminate a foreign body , produces a histamine response "allergy" .

Pork neck bones are raw meaty bones . The ribs on the underbelly side are softer .

GTA , lots of options. Waldorf Village Market . I am there every second Saturday -- just finished a session , so not this , but next --
How are you for lamb? That is a can do. This Week at the Village Market
HeronView Raw n Natural , Ashburn & Brawley , Brooklin Heronview Raw and Natural Pet Food

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Flutter 04-15-2014 03:21 PM

Got it. How would we supply him with enzymes so that he could eat meats that he's less allergic to, that way we can give him variety. It doesn't hurt to try.

The store we normally get our raw food from carries boar rib bones so we can add those in.

Lamb is a no go since they're ruminants. The test for ruminants actually uses sheep epithelium so lamb is a definite no go. From experience we know beef is a really bad idea as well (though tripe seems to be ok?).

I'm going to check out those links.

carmspack 04-15-2014 03:34 PM

scarfish 04-15-2014 03:40 PM

are you sure your dog is allergic to what you think it is or maybe the fillers in foods? our first dog had constant diarrhea, vomited a lot and developed a rash on her belly. we tried lots of different foods. the day we tried a limited ingredient grain free food she was normal. we now only feed nature's variety grain free limited ingredient kibble and she has been fine ever since. this might not be your dogs problem but also might be. you never know 'till you find the food your dog can eat without a problem.

Flutter 04-15-2014 04:05 PM

We did intradermal allergy testing along with the most reliable blood test out there so we're pretty darn sure. We were going to do the saliva test as well but our regular vet and the allergy specialist both suggested not doing it because the research to back it up is... poor...

He is allergic to several fillers like corn, rice, potato, tomato, and wheat. Also allergic to alfalfa which rules out a lot of kibbles. Appears to be much more reactive to cooked chicken than raw in our experience. Even one piece of chicken kibble gives him diarrhea for days. Tried two different duck kibbles, one of them was the food you use and no good.

Looking back he did best on a fish based grain free kibble but we haven't found a single kibble other than the Back to Basics Pork that doesn't contain something he's allergic to. We can't even use their fish kibble because it has potato IIRC.

Flutter 04-15-2014 04:10 PM

Honestly, he may be able to tolerate other proteins in the future (fingers crossed) but now isn't the time to try them. We need to get his health under control before taxing him further.

carmspack 04-16-2014 06:08 PM

Heron View has rabbit , buffalo , I am thinking they have venison at times , always lots of pork cuts .

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