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pro-bios vs. Nzymes bak-pak plus vs. yogurt
I've been raw feeding for 3 or 4 months now, started with my husky mix, everything went good, so when i got my GSD pup I started her on raw at like 10-11 weeks old. everything is still going good.
what I'm trying to find out is if one is better than the other. I've only used the pro-bios that you can buy from the Leerburg site. but now that i"m raw feeding 2 dogs, I'm blowing right thru the pro-bios. the cost isn't really the issue, as is't about the same cost as the Nzymes bak pak plus, BUT the pro-bios dosage is about 5 times as much as a daily supplement as the Nzymes is. there's a guy on you tube that I watch that was using nzymes for it raw feed, and he seemed very happy with it. anywho, if I can get about 3-5 times the length of nzymes, and its just as good or better then the pro-bios then I'll consider switching, cause I'm tired of ordering a new thing every month or 2. Also, I used yogurt when I originally made the first 2 weeks of food just to trying it, and switch over to raw. and it seemed to work good, the price difference isn't much difference to the pro-bios, and its available at the store.
Any knowledge is welcomed. FYI when I prepare food, I use ground beef at the main ingredient. and RMB comes from chicken legs or necks. and every now and then ( every other week or so) i'll buy some 1 pound cornish game hens, and split it between both dogs as a meal. I prepare the food for a whole month for both dogs, and i freeze, and thaw out enough for a weeks food at a time. other stuff is added into the mix, ofal and such, as well as kep, and alfalfa powder, and puried brocoli, and sometimes a potato, and also eggs are added. thanks for the help.
also, what do you guys use for a probiotic, or do you not use any supplements at all?
All of the products have different properties:
PROBIOS - Ingredients: Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product, and Dried Lactobacillus Plantarum Fermentation Product.
Nyzmes Bac Pac: Ingredients: Dried Whey, Active Dried Yeast, Ground Flaxseed, Yucca schidigera extract, Dried Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Extract Product, Silicon Dioxide
Yogurt is a dairy product made by culturing cream and/or milk with live and active cultures. The cultures in yogurt are living organisms. Yogurt that's produced in the U.S. is made with two specific live and active cultures: Lactobacillus bulgaricus (L. bulgaricus) and Streptococcus thermophilus (S. thermophilus). These metabolize some of the milk sugar (lactose) in the milk into lactic acid. This action helps change the consistency of liquid milk into yogurt. L. bulgaricus and S. thermophilus are required by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) standards for a product to be called yogurt.
Here is some Pro Biotic information that may help you decide exactly what your dog needs by Dr. Karen Becker:
Probiotics are considered "beneficial" or "good" bacteria. There are many different kinds, or strains, of these bacteria. Each works to create a healthy balance in your pet's gastrointestinal system.
Individual strands are helpful for maintaining overall health as well as uniquely responding to the variety of daily stressors, both emotional and physiological, that your pet encounters.
Research shows that 10 or more strains are recommended for promoting optimal health.
So, if you find a pet probiotic product has 1-2 strains of bacteria – as is the case with many probiotics available today – that's fine. But, in my opinion, selecting a probiotic that has 10 or more beneficial strains is a much preferred option.
Why? The more beneficial strains you have in your probiotic, the better able they are to respond to the wide variety of stressors that can affect your pet's GI system.
Many products today contain between 1 and 3 million beneficial bacteria per serving. This is okay. Any amount of probiotics can be helpful. However, in my opinion, if you really want to make sure you're promoting optimal health and wellbeing, you can do far better. Ideally, I believe you'll want to find a probiotic formula with 20, 30, 40 million or more beneficial bacteria per serving.
1. Bifidobacterium lactis: a friendly bacteria often found in yogurt that is known to help stimulate immune responses.
2. Bifidobacterium animalis: a unique bacteria that promotes optimal health and protection within the digestive tract.
3. Lactobacillus acidophilus: guards the health of your pet's entire digestive tract.
4. Bifidobacterium longum: keeps your pet's digestive system running smoothly, and helps enhance their immune system.
5. Bifidobacterium bifidum: helps promote a healthy balance of flora in your pet's intestine. What's more, this organism is especially helpful for enhancing immune response.
6. Lactobacillus casei: works with other helpful organisms, and helps to encourage the growth of other "good" bacteria.
7. Lactobacillus plantarum: helps to ensure that the nutrients in vitamins and supplements are getting to your pet's cells.
1. Lactobacillus rhamnosus: assists your pet's elimination and occasional intestinal discomfort by working to stabilize their intestinal microflora.
2. Lactobacillus bulgarious: works with other Lactobacillus strains to provide your pet with a potential source of dietary antioxidants.
3. Bacillus coagulans: helps enhance your pet's intestinal health and provides back-up for sporadic intestinal discomfort.
I'm not sure if that helped me, or if that confused me even more.
I don't feed pro or pre biotics but do feed ground tripe with every meal. Haven't seen any signs of our dog needing any help digesting his food.
I would like to find green tripe but I can't locally. And if I order it from green tripe.com how does it even come? Just thawed and vaccuum sealed? Now I'm wondering if I really even need a probiotic
Greentripe.com only ships either Monday or Tuesday and by 2 day air. It comes frozen in tubes. I love their products (for the dogs not me!) but it is pricey to ship - although worth it! The dogs LOVE it.
I actually drove down there last time and stocked up!
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*Active Dry Yeast and Flax seed can give some dogs reactions.
*IMO, Dairy products are not for dogs except for an occasional treat.
This one has most of the items in it:
Vetri Science : Vetri-Mega Probiotic: Vetri-Mega Probiotic for Dogs and Cats
Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product
Dried Lactobacillus plantarum Fermentation Product
Dried Bifidobacterium bifidum Fermentation Product
Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product
Dried Lactobacillus brevis Fermentation Product
Dried Bifidobacterium longum Fermentation Product
Dried Enterococcus thermophilus Fermentation Product
This is Mercola's "For Pets" Probiotics, which has all of the strains mentioned but may not be as cost effective: Pet Probiotics | Optimal Digestive Health for Pets - Mercola.com
Hope that helped a little!
Thanks, I didn't know that they could ship stuff frozen, and keep it frozen. Might have to look into adding this every once in a while to there food.
Yes that last bit helped a bit, and opened my eyes to other products. A little pricey when your giving it to multiple dogs though.
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