switching to all beef?

[mkinttrim]

Don't know what to do here, started raw about 2 weeks ago and his stools have been nothing but water and bones. My pup is 40 lbs and starting to think he may have a chicken allergy. Going to go to butcher today and try all beef for a day or two and see what the results are. I'm planning on ground beef, heart, liver and kidneys.
I have tried using yogurt, pumpkin and probiotics while on the chicken only diet but all with the same results. He only has had 2 poops in the last two weeks that had any formation at all. Although he is not dehydrated at all this can't be good.
Even with kibble (both wellness and BBlbp) he has had soft poops but at least they were formed. I haven't taken a stool sample to the Vet as I give him DE once a day but if he continues to have the runs with the beef that will be my next step.
Any recommendations would be appreciated!

[lhczth]

You need to get his digestive system settled down. I would try boiled or cooked ground beef, pumpkin, yogurt and probiotics and leave out the heart, liver and kidney. You might also look into digestive enzymes.

Were you feeding just chicken parts or were you also feeding organ meats and other things? Some dogs need their raw foods ground when they first start because their systems are just not ready to deal with the bones when they have been eating kibble.

Then I would have your pup checked for coccidia and giardia (they can be hard to find).

[mkinttrim]

For his lunch meal I was feeding him chicken livers and sometimes beef livers pureed in a blender, mixed with pumpkin,yogurt,DE and a human probiotic. I bought some pre-ground chicken from the butcher when I first started with the same results (about 2 1/2 days)

Morning meal is a drumstick, evening meal is a chicken quarter.

[BlackPuppy]

I don't think I fed any organ meat for the first 2 weeks. Then when I did, it was on tablespoon of chicken liver and my dog had diarrhea. After that no organ meat for a few more days, then chicken liver again. It look a while for him to get used to the organs and I had to take it really slow. Maybe your dog is the same. Did you ever post exactly what you are feeding your dogs?

The first week my dog was on raw he got only chicken parts. Not ground, just like you'd buy to cook for yourself.

Also, this was the method prescribed by the people at the Yahoo group Rawfeeding. They recommend no organ meat at all in the beginning.

[mkinttrim]

Yes thats what I feed him about everyday, sometimes I'll throw an egg into his lunch meal along with fish oil every other day but thats the basics.
I'll discontinue the raw organ meat for now, although his favorite treat if broiled liver cut into little squares.z

[BlackPuppy]

My dogs love liver, too, but if I use too much of it for training, I can expect to get up in the middle of the night for an extra potty (runny poo).

[lhczth]

Organ meat will make soft poops. I am lucky and can feed my weeks organ meat in one meal though I don't do this to puppies. They get theirs in 3 meals. Many dogs can't handle this.

I would stay away from organ meat for at least a couple of weeks. If you are feeding leg quarters and backs there is a small amount of organ meat attached anyhow. Stick with this and nothing else (no eggs or organ meat) for awhile and then slowly introduce a tiny bit of organ meet.

I would still have your pup's stool checked. Elena gets part of a slice of liver for lunch 3 times per week with her fish oil and an egg and her poops are nice and firm. The other days she gets ground meat or heart and some yogurt with her fish oil. If you are getting soft poops you are either feeding too much total, not enough bone, too much organ meat or there is something else going on.

[mkinttrim]

Thanks for the advice, will eliminate the organ meat for a while. I have a call into the Vet to see if I should bring in stool sample. Will be hard to get now as its just brown water and bones.

This is the first time I've done raw and I am very enthused about feeding him it for the health benefits etc but didn't read very many posts about problems when 1st introducing raw. Hopefully lack of organs will dry up the stools and I'll introduce a little at a time further down the road.

[mkinttrim]

Today for lunch I gave hime 1/2 can green tripe, along with pumpkin, kelp help, probiotic and DE. 4 hrs later he actually had a bowel movement that I could actually pick up! Today is the first day that I haven't given him yogurt.

[onyx'girl]

I think you need to research the diet better. Feeding RAW without proper balance is dangerous.
Do as suggested by Lisa:
You need to get his digestive system settled down. I would try boiled or cooked ground beef, pumpkin, yogurt and probiotics and leave out the heart, liver and kidney. You might also look into digestive enzymes.
As young as your pup is, if he is truly pooping "brown water", he can become dehydrated fast.
Beef bones normally aren't a part of the RAW diet. They are very dense and not easily chewed. Pork neck bones, turkey necks or young lamb, veal would be available as RMB's if you can't feed chicken. I really don't think chicken is your puppy's problem, the balance you are feeding may be the cause.
FWIW, a chicken leg 1/4 is perfectly balanced if the back is attached, and the portion weighs about one pound, so that is about right as well.
If you can get fresh(frozen) green tripe, it is much better than the canned. Why are you giving DE daily?