Crate grumbles at shows.....

LuvourGSDs · 10-19-2012, 02:13 PM

Seeking some suggestions & advice from some that my have dealt with this or still does.

I never used to cover my older 8 yr old females crate at shows. I even used an xpen a few times. I now deal with crate guarding. She will go off & give people that oh s*#* moment if too close to her crate even with her covered down. Mostly goes off if front cover is up, but will grumble at ones that pass by when down. I have tried when by the crate & front cover up giving lots of treats when good & if she goes off, give her a NO & squirt from water bottle. I am now trying to find places to tuck, hide, stash her. Never worried about this happening. 8/ Not sure if hiding her is going to help the issue either?

People always seem for some reason to walk right up close with their dogs dragging out in front of them which she hates.
I am trying to manage this as it makes our breed look bad.

Any suggestions? Thanks!

LuvourGSDs · 10-19-2012, 02:15 PM

BTW, I am sure this is making the shows stressful for her & not fun when crated. 8/

LuvourGSDs · 10-19-2012, 06:30 PM

?

Come on guys, I cannot be the only one that is or has dealt with this. I really do not want to leave in the suv plus does get too hot in hotter months & I have only a suv gate so cannot open up Jeep.

~Thanks~

**JakodaCD OA** · 10-19-2012, 07:23 PM

can you leave her crated in your vehicle?

There were times when a couple of mine would go off, a dog to close to the crate, but normally they were pretty non chalant, again as long as there wasn't some dog sticking their nose in their crate

I'd crate her in the vehicle/lock her in, she also might be way less stressed in the vehicle.

dogfaeries · 10-19-2012, 10:25 PM

We deal with this with the shepherds at the dog shows too. We just cover the crates, yell at them to "leave it" when they throw a fit at a dog walking by. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Those same dogs are so different when out of the crate. None of the stupid stuff then.

Sorry. I don't have the magic answer either!

LuvourGSDs · 10-19-2012, 10:57 PM

Thanks. Yep, diff gal out of her crate. 8/

Any other suggestions? Not sure if squirting is a good answer. Do hate to stress her more. Never fails tho, you try to stash away somewhere & people & dogs seem to follow you. 8/ Even had my chair moved out of the way so they could walk through a area I had tried to block tucked behind the bleachers. Errrr

wildo · 10-20-2012, 09:18 AM

One thing I can think of, though it's not a particularly cheap option, is to get a Manners Minder. It's a remote controlled (or timer based, I think) device you can put on top of the crate that can automatically drop treats in on a timer interval, or when you press the RC button. This can take the human interface out of it- in order for her to get a treat currently, someone has to come close enough to give it. And that proximity is setting her off.

So set up a Manners Minder, and setup some dog passes before or after class. Make it a parade. Start with the dogs far enough away to be below her threshold. When a dog (or person) passes and she doesn't go off, hit the button, she gets a treat. Slowly progress to pushing her threshold... This would be a slow desensitization approach.

The Manners Minder is also really useful in training running contacts. Daisy Peel has a class specifically on that. The device is about $100 on Amazon.

**MaggieRoseLee** · 10-20-2012, 09:26 AM

What kind of crate do you use?

One of the reason I love the Canine Camper is cause it comes with covers you can use or roll up depending on which side(s) there are more issues. It really does seem to be a visual when my dogs react to others. GENERALLY I'm pretty lucky and my dogs just sleep.

But if I'm crated in a busy area, or by really annoying/loud dogs, just covering the side causing the most issues seems to get my dogs out of the 'alert' mode and more relaxed.

I personally don't like to only be able to crate in my vehicle because there are trials that's just not a good option for. Whether it's too hot and only parking is in the blazing sun. Or the distance between lot/courses are too far to manage well. Particularly when attending bigger trials like Nationals when I'm already stressed enough, worrying about crating in my car miles away from where I need to run isn't an added STRESS I want to deal with.

AgileGSD · 10-20-2012, 11:50 AM

Most people I know who have dogs with crating in tight quarters just crate their dog out outdoors/in the vehicle.

Sunflowers · 10-20-2012, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildo

a remote controlled (or timer based, I think) device you can put on top of the crate that can automatically drop treats in on a timer interval,

I need one of these for treats for myself

10-19-2012, 02:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
LuvourGSDs Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OH Posts: 5,665	Crate grumbles at shows..... Seeking some suggestions & advice from some that my have dealt with this or still does. I never used to cover my older 8 yr old females crate at shows. I even used an xpen a few times. I now deal with crate guarding. She will go off & give people that oh s# moment if too close to her crate even with her covered down. Mostly goes off if front cover is up, but will grumble at ones that pass by when down. I have tried when by the crate & front cover up giving lots of treats when good & if she goes off, give her a NO & squirt from water bottle. I am now trying to find places to tuck, hide, stash her. Never worried about this happening. 8/ Not sure if hiding her is going to help the issue either? People always seem for some reason to walk right up close with their dogs dragging out in front of them which she hates. I am trying to manage this as it makes our breed look bad. Any suggestions? Thanks! __________________ ~Jen~ Sable~ GSD NJP, OJP, NAP, NAJ, NA, TN-N, NAC, NJC, CGC Shadow~ BGSD Adopted RN, CGC Storm~ GSD RA, TN-N, CGC Skyrah~ CGC "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail."

10-19-2012, 02:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
LuvourGSDs Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OH Posts: 5,665	BTW, I am sure this is making the shows stressful for her & not fun when crated. 8/ __________________ ~Jen~ Sable~ GSD NJP, OJP, NAP, NAJ, NA, TN-N, NAC, NJC, CGC Shadow~ BGSD Adopted RN, CGC Storm~ GSD RA, TN-N, CGC Skyrah~ CGC "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail."

10-19-2012, 06:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
LuvourGSDs Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OH Posts: 5,665	? Come on guys, I cannot be the only one that is or has dealt with this. I really do not want to leave in the suv plus does get too hot in hotter months & I have only a suv gate so cannot open up Jeep. ~Thanks~ __________________ ~Jen~ Sable~ GSD NJP, OJP, NAP, NAJ, NA, TN-N, NAC, NJC, CGC Shadow~ BGSD Adopted RN, CGC Storm~ GSD RA, TN-N, CGC Skyrah~ CGC "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail."

10-19-2012, 07:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 17,529	can you leave her crated in your vehicle? There were times when a couple of mine would go off, a dog to close to the crate, but normally they were pretty non chalant, again as long as there wasn't some dog sticking their nose in their crate I'd crate her in the vehicle/lock her in, she also might be way less stressed in the vehicle. __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

10-19-2012, 10:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
dogfaeries Master Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma City metro Posts: 982	We deal with this with the shepherds at the dog shows too. We just cover the crates, yell at them to "leave it" when they throw a fit at a dog walking by. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Those same dogs are so different when out of the crate. None of the stupid stuff then. Sorry. I don't have the magic answer either! __________________ ~ Diane in Okla Carly - AKC CH, Herding Instinct Certificate Sage - Ch. pointed, Herding Instinct Certificate Russell - GSD puppy

10-19-2012, 10:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
LuvourGSDs Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OH Posts: 5,665	Thanks. Yep, diff gal out of her crate. 8/ Any other suggestions? Not sure if squirting is a good answer. Do hate to stress her more. Never fails tho, you try to stash away somewhere & people & dogs seem to follow you. 8/ Even had my chair moved out of the way so they could walk through a area I had tried to block tucked behind the bleachers. Errrr __________________ ~Jen~ Sable~ GSD NJP, OJP, NAP, NAJ, NA, TN-N, NAC, NJC, CGC Shadow~ BGSD Adopted RN, CGC Storm~ GSD RA, TN-N, CGC Skyrah~ CGC "Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail."

10-20-2012, 09:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
wildo Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,107	One thing I can think of, though it's not a particularly cheap option, is to get a Manners Minder. It's a remote controlled (or timer based, I think) device you can put on top of the crate that can automatically drop treats in on a timer interval, or when you press the RC button. This can take the human interface out of it- in order for her to get a treat currently, someone has to come close enough to give it. And that proximity is setting her off. So set up a Manners Minder, and setup some dog passes before or after class. Make it a parade. Start with the dogs far enough away to be below her threshold. When a dog (or person) passes and she doesn't go off, hit the button, she gets a treat. Slowly progress to pushing her threshold... This would be a slow desensitization approach. The Manners Minder is also really useful in training running contacts. Daisy Peel has a class specifically on that. The device is about $100 on Amazon. __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL3, CL2, CL1, UJJ, HIT, CGC High Jinks vom Neuanfang - DOB 9/12 (Gotchya Day: 1/23/2013) agility superstar in training

10-20-2012, 09:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
MaggieRoseLee The Agility Rocks! Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bushkill, PA (The Poconos!) Posts: 24,183	What kind of crate do you use? One of the reason I love the Canine Camper is cause it comes with covers you can use or roll up depending on which side(s) there are more issues. It really does seem to be a visual when my dogs react to others. GENERALLY I'm pretty lucky and my dogs just sleep. But if I'm crated in a busy area, or by really annoying/loud dogs, just covering the side causing the most issues seems to get my dogs out of the 'alert' mode and more relaxed. I personally don't like to only be able to crate in my vehicle because there are trials that's just not a good option for. Whether it's too hot and only parking is in the blazing sun. Or the distance between lot/courses are too far to manage well. Particularly when attending bigger trials like Nationals when I'm already stressed enough, worrying about crating in my car miles away from where I need to run isn't an added STRESS I want to deal with. __________________ MACH3 Bretta Lee Wildhaus MXG MJG MXF MFB TQX HIT CGC TC Glory B Wildhaus AX, AXJ, XF "*It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious."* - Oscar Wilde Last edited by MaggieRoseLee; 10-20-2012 at 09:29 AM.

10-20-2012, 11:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
AgileGSD Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,723	Most people I know who have dogs with crating in tight quarters just crate their dog out outdoors/in the vehicle.

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