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Old 10-07-2012, 09:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Molly is doing awesome in agility,she is super fast, absolutely love doing the equipment. When we are around a course she starts getting very excited.
As soon as we approach the starting line and have her sit and wait she starts barking like crazy! We have been working at home with her for months trying to keep her quiet at the starting line but are unsuccessful! She is not a "barky" when we are not doing agility. Does anyone have a similar situation? Any tips on keeping her quiet? The people I train with are suggesting we put a collar that sprays a mist when she barks but I don't want to do that(I don't want to make agility negative!)
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i've be a steward at a lot of agility rings and i've
seen a lot of dogs get barky and excited when
they're waiting go into the ring. i don't remember
seeing anyone trying to stop the barking or excitement.
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Well, the good news is that some of the top dogs do this on the startline. Great article from Susan Garrett about her dog Buzz

In Defense of the Opinionated Dog | Susan Garrett's Dog Training Blog

Bretta will bark a bit on the startline when she's amped for a run (not always though) as well as sometimes on the table. Glory does it a bit.

Personally, you need to be careful about your criteria and training this away. Because you may THINK you are correcting/fixing the barking, but you may actually end up sucking the fun from agility with the dog just understanding that bad stuff happens at the startline. They may start jumping the startline, leaving the ring, just slowing down in general.

So figuring out another thing to train, or managing the startline (fast as possible), I know that some people have a kind of elaborate startline regime of having the dog go around and between their legs before the sit/stay then they immediately leave, set up and release the dogs. Seems like sometimes the more precise we are and more elaborate (but clear and fast) our routine is on the startline, the more it helps.

Additionally, very short leadouts at the beginning of this seem to help the most. Going too far too fast seems to really crank up some of our dogs and allow them to bark bark bark (and put it into their routine) and there's nothing to be done if we are on our way to a 3 jump leadout.

BTW, have you ever thought about attending any of Susan Garrett's training? She's used to high drive dogs (which, BTW many people do NOT have so they have no idea of the barking issue and what it really is and why you may (or may not) want to deal with it). The fact that you have a drivey dog that is loving agility is a GREAT thing and you do NOT want to lose that.

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Well, the good news is that some of the top dogs do this on the startline. Great article from Susan Garrett about her dog Buzz

In Defense of the Opinionated Dog | Susan Garrett's Dog Training Blog

Bretta will bark a bit on the startline when she's amped for a run (not always though) as well as sometimes on the table. Glory does it a bit.

Personally, you need to be careful about your criteria and training this away. Because you may THINK you are correcting/fixing the barking, but you may actually end up sucking the fun from agility with the dog just understanding that bad stuff happens at the startline. They may start jumping the startline, leaving the ring, just slowing down in general.

So figuring out another thing to train, or managing the startline (fast as possible), I know that some people have a kind of elaborate startline regime of having the dog go around and between their legs before the sit/stay then they immediately leave, set up and release the dogs. Seems like sometimes the more precise we are and more elaborate (but clear and fast) our routine is on the startline, the more it helps.

Additionally, very short leadouts at the beginning of this seem to help the most. Going too far too fast seems to really crank up some of our dogs and allow them to bark bark bark (and put it into their routine) and there's nothing to be done if we are on our way to a 3 jump leadout.

BTW, have you ever thought about attending any of Susan Garrett's training? She's used to high drive dogs (which, BTW many people do NOT have so they have no idea of the barking issue and what it really is and why you may (or may not) want to deal with it). The fact that you have a drivey dog that is loving agility is a GREAT thing and you do NOT want to lose that.

Good point!! I guess I should let Molly do her thing at the start line, she is very motived and loves the equipment! The people I train with seem to get a little annoyed that was the main reason I was trying to stop this!
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There was a smaller breed terrier I saw do agility once, that a dog school was trying to show off how great they do agility. It barked/yelped the entire way through the course (missed plenty of obstacles too) and was plain annoying. Their excuse - he's a barker. At the end, it cowered, ears back and tail tucked, when the handler reached down to praise.

Not sure what to think of that experience. What I do know is that my boy will only bark when he is way excited when we are playing together. So I also think it's good for your Molly to be barking
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Mine does this too. I haven't gotten as far as getting her to even sit when we start Since we have done everything on leash thus far, she is at that start line barking, lurching forward...just ready to go....I will start with the sit/stay this week
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In that article from SG that MRL posted, Susan states:

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If I had to do it again with Buzz, knowing what I know today, I do believe I would have a much better shot at keeping him quiet. I guess we will never know!
Funny... yes we will know. Swagger is a "barker" and Susan is adamantly against letting him work while barking. At least for the first fourteen months of his life, that has been true. I do think the recent video of Swagger running in the Canadian Opens- he was barking. It will be interesting to see if Susan gets a grip on this as Swagger progresses. In Susan's PuppyPeak program, she mentions barking and has firmly stated that she learned with Buzz that a barking dog is beyond annoying as she had to scream commands at him in order to get him through the course. "Never again," she says...
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Does she bark when you start running/she's running the course? Honestly, I can't stand a barking dog when doing agility This was a biggy for me when I got my aussie, I did NOT want a yapping dog running an agility course..It's distracting and can be frustrating not to mention ear splitting..Thank god she never did, maybe here and there out of frustration with 'me' at a point, but quiet overall.

With that, if Molly's not barking once she hits the course, I would probably put up with the barking at the start line cause I'm sure she ain't the only one

The only other thing I can think of is, set her up, I'd set her up at a start line, as soon as the barking starts, I'd take her leash and walk off, game ends..No talking, no correcting, just walk away. This will probably take ALOT of set ups, and the milli second she was NOT barking, I'd run her..(I most likely would not do this at a trial, since you'd be wasting ALOTTA entry fees
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The only other thing I can think of is, set her up, I'd set her up at a start line, as soon as the barking starts, I'd take her leash and walk off, game ends..No talking, no correcting, just walk away. This will probably take ALOT of set ups, and the milli second she was NOT barking, I'd run her..(I most likely would not do this at a trial, since you'd be wasting ALOTTA entry fees
This is what I would do, except I might wait it out for her to stop barking. No running unless she's quiet. Obviously, you can't do this at a trial and this is a training issue.

Barking is so annoying and it's hard for the dog to concentrate when it's doing that. I have seen so many dogs knock the first bar because they are so wound up they can't think. This is something I would do my best to eliminate.
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also good idea elaine!
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