2x2 Weave Direction- Why is this right?

[wildo]

I was watching the first 30 secs of this youtube video:

YouTube - Susi 2 by 2 weaving December 08

YouTube - Susi 2 by 2 weaving December 08

I noticed that the dog entered from the back of the weave poles (at least every time he did it properly). My question is this:



In the diagram above, starting from the "First" position, it is obvious where the dog needs to go. But when I move to the "Second" position, I assume that the red line is incorrect, and the green line is correct. Why/how does the dog know this? In a 2x2, the dog could enter from either side and still be entering with the first pole at his left shoulder...

[MaggieRoseLee]

I haven't trained the 2 X 2 method, but for me the dog is ALWAYS supposed to enter with the first pole on his LEFT shoulder.

If I am standing where the word 'first' is and send my dog into the weaves, she should take the black line (and keep weaving to the right if there were the additional 10 poles).

If I am standing at the word 'second' and send my dog into the weaves, she should take off on the red line (and keep weaving then to her right which would be to the LEFT side of the page/screen/monitor if there were the additional 10 poles).

So the green line is never right with the setup you posted (unless this is some weird 2 X 2 thing that I don't know and I did say I don't train this way, right? )

The video is confusing to me..... starting at 27 sec I don't see she's doing the entry correctly all the time and I'm confused is she likes what she's getting or not from the dog....

[wildo]

I agree. I thought it was so odd... Check out 0:26, and 0:30 of the clip I posted. She is deliberately sending the dog around the back side in order to enter from the back. It's almost as if she has stated that "First" in my diagram is always the enter side. So no matter where she sends the dog from, it should go in following the black/green lines... I can kinda see the reasoning, but then again- it seems you'd want to train from both directions. Hmmm.... Research time.

[MaggieRoseLee]

I think we are right... the first video was when the 2 X 2 training was new and I'm thinking she was confused...

Watch this video, it seems to be what makes more sense to me...

YouTube - Agility Training Tutorial - Weave Poles (2X2 Poles Method)

YouTube - Agility Training Tutorial - Weave Poles (2X2 Poles Method)

Hopefully someone who's used the method will chime in....

[MaggieRoseLee]

[wildo]

We start training at the new facility on Monday, MRL! I'm so excited! Not to mention that there is a trial there this weekend that I'm going to go see- my first trial as a spectator. I'll be sure to ask my new trainer about this... And of course, I will report back.

[MaggieRoseLee]

Originally Posted by wildo

We start training at the new facility on Monday, MRL! I'm so excited! Not to mention that there is a trial there this weekend that I'm going to go see- my first trial as a spectator. I'll be sure to ask my new trainer about this... And of course, I will report back.

Can't wait to hear an update. Go and have fun!

If you know anyone and can find the volunteer coordinator, they usually need workers (and around here you get fed and watered ! )

[wildo]

Originally Posted by MaggieRoseLee

If you know anyone and can find the volunteer coordinator, they usually need workers (and around here you get fed and watered ! )

Nope. I don't. haha! In fact, I finally got a callback, and she said it will be very crowded with only standing room. She asked me not to bring my dog even. Sounds like there will be a lot going on...

[Liesje]

I think the green line is correct. 2x2 seeks to teach the entry, right off the bat (not teaching the weaves and then going back and working hard entries). I believe that the diagram is confusing if you are not familiar with this method or how the entries are trained using only two poles and a moving "reward line". If you added the second 2x2 you would add it to the right. That is how the diagrams and training videos I've watched have always worked, it assumes the direction of the weave poles is left to right (as we look at it on the screen). In the diagram the dog is entering with the left pole on his left, and would continue weaving left to right. If my assumption is correct, that makes the green line correct, and illustrates how the 2x2 process trains those difficult entries. The dog is basically making a 180 into the poles.

I didn't watch the vids embedded, just looking at the diagram.

[Liesje]

In competition it would look like this:


Obviously in training it's a bit exaggerated, but since you start with only two poles you can work all the way around them before adding more and having them get in the way and limit the angle of the entry. That is the beauty of working 2 poles for the majority of the training, the dog learns entries that aren't even possible in a trial.


That is, if I've understood the question correctly!