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levous 08-19-2014 08:54 AM

Another dog hates and attacks my GSD
 
I have a neighbor from a few houses down who has a terrier, Earnie. He's an awful little monster that they have no control of at all. They bring him by to visit with my next door neighbors golden retriever several times per week. We share a driveway so I cannot avoid this animal. When he sees my dogs, he goes bananas. He's attacked my dogs several times but I've always been able to get my dogs out of the situation.

We also see each other at the park, across the street. Earnie walks with several medium-sized dogs (and their owners, of course) each morning. In the past, that was a neutral grounds where Earnie wouldn't attack but a few weeks ago, he laid into Bruno (my gsd) three or four times until, finally Bruno had had enough and the two of them got into it. I was able to get Bruno off and no blood was drawn. All the while, Earnie's owner was saying, "Earnie, be nice," in the most comforting, pleasant voice imaginable. If it weren't so irritating, if would be hilarious.

I've noticed, since that day, that this group of dog friends now leaves when I enter the park. While I appreciate the courtesy, I'm offended that I cannot socialize with my neighbors because another dog is out of control.
This morning, I encountered this group, in the park. My dogs were leashed and earnie was on a 30 ft rope. That appears to be their new strategy to manage him. He clearly doesn't listen. Earnie waited until they were within range, calm and pleasant, and then he charged. His owner reeled in the rope and dragged him away saying, "earnie, be nice. Let's go play fetch, earnie". Nothing like rewarding bad behavior. My dogs, on the other hand, remained perfectly calm and looked to me for direction. All the other dogs were fine. They all leashed up and left, though.

Earnie seems to be particularly hot for my male GSD but also lashes out at my labs. He pretty much tries to kill any dog he doesn't know and I see his owners struggling with the leash whenever they are crossed by a strange dog. Is there anything I can do to do defuse the aggression?

misslesleedavis1 08-19-2014 09:15 AM

I guess all you can do is avoid the terrier, it sucks but obviously they do not get it so its up to you.

SuperG 08-19-2014 09:20 AM

Earnie's owner is a douche' I could elaborate as to why I believe people such as this allow their dogs to act this way....but what's the point.....

SuperG

Blanketback 08-19-2014 09:27 AM

I agree, what else can you do? If the owner isn't going to do anything, and seems to condone this behavior, how far are you willing to go to go with this? I'm certain that cracking an 8' bullwhip would get the dog's attention and keep it back, but your neighbor's are already avoiding you, so being the 'weirdo with the whip' probably won't go over very well, lol. But it would work... :D

Keeno Beano 08-19-2014 09:47 AM

Another dog hates and attacks my GSD
 
:wild: That is ashame that you are being ignored by the other people and that you have to be very careful because the other irresponsible owner does not get it. The park is so close to you also. Wow. Your other neighbours are not talking to you anyway so why not get in touch with your by-law officer. You have just as much right to be out with your dogs as anyone else. Stupid owners of uncontrolled dogs drive me mental. Lol :whistle: Until Keeno is evaluated tomorrow night by a trainer I do not take him out in public. It is not fair on anyone or myself for that matter. :gsdhead: :doggieplayball:

middleofnowhere 08-19-2014 10:49 AM

That they have put earnie on a 30 ft lead is a huge improvement from nothing. That they remove him from the situation is probably better than jerking him around. It sounds to me like the situation is getting under control. Unless you want ernie to get to know your dogs (you say he only has a problem with dogs he doesn't know) I think you're doing all you can. Your dogs are not agressing, not reacting poorly. I am not sure I would want to have my dogs "get to know ernie".

levous 09-01-2014 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by middleofnowhere (Post 5921761)
That they have put earnie on a 30 ft lead is a huge improvement from nothing. That they remove him from the situation is probably better than jerking him around. It sounds to me like the situation is getting under control. Unless you want ernie to get to know your dogs (you say he only has a problem with dogs he doesn't know) I think you're doing all you can. Your dogs are not agressing, not reacting poorly. I am not sure I would want to have my dogs "get to know ernie".

Interesting point. Earnie's owner is a nice enough guy but I have no respect for him due to his incompetent, lazy, irresponsible dog ownership. Earnie is a mess and nothing good would come from socializing him to my dogs other than reduced stress. I can certainly continue avoiding confrontations. As far as the other folks go, maybe it's better that they choose to clear a path for me. I don't really walk my dog as a human social outlet, after all

Thanks for the thoughts

levous 12-25-2014 09:23 PM

I thought I'd follow up as there is another chapter to this story.

Earnie, the 30lbs terrier, continued being aggressive toward Bruno, my GSD.

A few weeks ago, when I was going out to my car, parked on the street, to grab something, Earnie and his owner were at the end of my driveway, on an evening walk. I was alone. When I got within leash range, Earnie attacked. His owner was able to restrain him before any harm was done. While his owner was aghast at Earnie's behavior, he did nothing to correct him.

The next morning, I was playing with my dogs in the park and ran into the morning walkers. There were about 10 dogs off-leash, plus my two, and Earnie on a 30ft rope. I left my dogs off leash and continued throwing the ball with Bruno. Earnie barked at Bruno but Bruno ignored Earnie, focusing on his ball. As he passed Earnie, on his way to me, he came within leash range and Earnie attacked. Bruno then went after him. Bruno was putting Earnie's owner between me and himself so I couldn't get hold of his collar. He looked to be quite entertained but things were likely going to get ugly. When I finally reached Bruno's collar, Earnie bit me in the palm of my hand! He punctured the skin deeply in the meat of my hand. Fortunately, no permanent damage. A prescription for Augmentin and a few days of bandaids and all is fine.

My strategy should have been to totally avoid them and keep Bruno on leash when his dog is near. It's annoying but I was stupid to let my pride get in the way of being totally safe. The outcome could have been much worse.

On the other hand, I am glad to have learned that this dog is so unpredictable and now person aggressive. He's a lawsuit waiting to happen. More importantly, I need to keep my kids away from him.

Finally, I've asked that Earnie not visit with my neighbor anymore. He is too unpredictable and I explained I was not comfortable with him near my family, particular my small children. The owner agreed.

It's nice that neighbors can be civil about issues and work things out. I just wish I could convince him to train his dog. Win some lose some

selzer 12-25-2014 09:40 PM

Hang on. I get it that the dog does not like yours and they will fight, but while separating dogs that are trying to eat eachother, you get nicked and now the dog is people aggressive? That is insane. The dog is NOT people aggressive if that is the only time it nailed a human. That is like saying a dog that got hit by a car is people aggressive if it bites when someone tries to pick it up.

You knew there was bad blood between your dog and this dog, and as you do not have complete control over your dog, you should not have allowed him to continue to be off-lead when you saw the dog come in. That's your bad. The dog's owner should do more with his dog, shouldn't use the long rope thing, but you shouldn't have left your dog in harms way by leaving him unconnected when his recall is not good enough. If you see a dog that you know has a problem with your dog, you should have called your dog to you, and hooked your hand on the collar, leash on the collar. Instead you allowed them to get into a fight and got your self bit. That does not make the other guy's dog people-aggressive.

gsdsar 12-25-2014 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by selzer (Post 6365897)
Hang on. I get it that the dog does not like yours and they will fight, but while separating dogs that are trying to eat eachother, you get nicked and now the dog is people aggressive? That is insane. The dog is NOT people aggressive if that is the only time it nailed a human. That is like saying a dog that got hit by a car is people aggressive if it bites when someone tries to pick it up.

You knew there was bad blood between your dog and this dog, and as you do not have complete control over your dog, you should not have allowed him to continue to be off-lead when you saw the dog come in. That's your bad. The dog's owner should do more with his dog, shouldn't use the long rope thing, but you shouldn't have left your dog in harms way by leaving him unconnected when his recall is not good enough. If you see a dog that you know has a problem with your dog, you should have called your dog to you, and hooked your hand on the collar, leash on the collar. Instead you allowed them to get into a fight and got your self bit. That does not make the other guy's dog people-aggressive.




Uh, the dog went after him in his driveway when he didn't have his dog with him.


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