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Old 07-13-2014, 05:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'll get to the issue after a little back story. My buddy had a Gsd that was about a year and a half old that was very well trained and lives to play ball.

I then got my first gsd as a puppy. The two dogs loved to play together. My buddys dog is a very dominant dog and asserted it immediately with my dog and my pup submitted.*

We would play ball with the two dogs and if my dog got the ball first my buddys dog would run over growling running into my dog. My dog would submit and drop the ball.*

Then it turned into my dog would get the ball and start running back and my buddys dog would run up along side him growling a nip him behind the ear. Sometimes my dog would drop the ball to submit sometimes he would ignore it and play keep away from his dog.

Now my dog has hit 2 years old and has learned that he's tuff. He will not try to assert dominance over my buddys dog, but when play ball with the two dogs he will not put up with the ear bites.*

Its now to the point were if my dog gets to the ball or toy first my. Buddys dog runs over growling and will try and nip him behind the ear, my dog says screw up and they get into a full blown knock down drag out.

They dont have an issue any other time than when there both running to grab a toy and my dog gets to it first.

The easy fix would be to not have them both chase after the same thing at the same time, but id rather fix the issue so they can play normally.

Thanks in advance for the advice.
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The easy fix, you don't want either one to get seriously hurt.
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I agree. You allowed the older dogs behavior for 2 years. It's not going to be an easy fix. So I would just avoid the situation. If they get along doing other things, just do other things.


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Old 07-13-2014, 09:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
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my dogs play rough and nip each other behind the ears while playing with the ball all the time. are you positive it's aggression and not just rough play?

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Its now to the point were if my dog gets to the ball or toy first my. Buddys dog runs over growling and will try and nip him behind the ear, my dog says screw up and they get into a full blown knock down drag out.
If by that you are talking about stitches and vet visits for the blood, then you need to stop that play.

I know for my dogs, I have to have rules. Both dogs have to sit then I throw the toy and my younger dog gets the first ball (I play chuckit) and then I release the 2nd dog for the 2nd ball just a second or so later. First dog always gets the ball thrown to the left, next ball goes more to the right. They both get back around the same time. I get both balls back. Then they both sit and we go again.
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MaggieRoseLee was correct. From day one there needs to be rules. The human runs the game and doesn't allow unwanted behavior.

Start from scratch. Make sure each dog knows to sit or down and wait for a release command for the ball. Only when both know and follow the rules begin to work them together in the manner that MRL does. One slightly to the left and one slightly to the right.

Always remember that all the toys belong to you and you only allow the pup or dog to play with them on your terms. This type of training will not only apply to playing with a ball but will fall over into other things in life.
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You allowed the older dog to bully your baby for 2 years. The only way to fix it is to not allow them both to chase the ball together. Perhaps take turns or just do it separately.

I personally feel your dog is acting appropriately. He learned what happens when he gets the ball first and what he has to do in order to keep said ball.


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Thanks for the info, I'll try some better structured fetch as you suggested
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