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Old 06-25-2014, 08:49 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Oh, of course it can be fixed.



Harder maybe, self-rewarding behaviors are always harder to extinguish because you have no direct control over them, but there are plenty of things to curb aggression or reactivity.



For instance, you can teach an incompatible behavior to the dog, the reward for which is more satisfying than the reward the dog gets for posturing.

So: dog sees something that makes it uncomfortable, rather than let the dog react you ask the dog to sit and "watch me". Heavily reinforce the sitting and watching with something extremely valuable to the dog (ball, tug, food, whatever).



You can also show the dog that its behavior is no longer rewarding, or present something that is even less desirable for the dog than the "scary thing" and offer him a means to escape it. Lou Castle's "crittering" method is essentially this.

I thought I fixed it, he was fine for 6 months. Then something happened and he started again.

The only thing I can think of was he got into a fight at the park. No damage but still. Other than that I'm lost.

It's just so depressing to be back at the spot I started at.

I will def try fixing it again. I will use your solution.
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MOST fear aggression can be fixed. Depends on how fearful the dog is. My preferred method would also be Ecollar.
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My dogs are always successful in scaring off the UPS or Fed Ex guy....Bark bark bark, dude drops his package and runs back to his truck. Dogs are programmed that barking makes him go away. I'm seldom if ever home to change their mindset. I feel bad for delivery people. Bites due to their rush in, run away behavior happens every day I bet. The hat and sunglasses and a big loud truck make it even worse

Lolol

And yep, delivery guys don't have it easy at all!!!
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Running and barking at someone can be fear aggression, or a dog with low threshold or a dog that's balanced but is a bully and needs better leadership.

If your dog is less than stellar in other areas then I would say it's fear. If he's a confident stable dog then I would say better leadership.

It's probably both. I'm not taking any blame off me, I made many mistakes. But the place I got him from - he probably wasn't bred the best
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We did the GSD temperament test this past weekend and a couple dogs flunked within the first two tests, which were a person making contact with the dogs handler/owner and the next one was a person petting the dog. There was no threat and the dogs in question barked, backed away, barked and then lunged. The evaluator just labeled it as aggression. A couple of the dogs made it to the shaking of the can but decided the can with rocks in it were evil. It was a very good experience and I learned a lot watching all the dogs and their reactions.

What did you learn? I'm not being rude. Seriously interested. I couldn't understand it from your post

I love studying their body language and reactions, wish I can learn more
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MOST fear aggression can be fixed. Depends on how fearful the dog is. My preferred method would also be Ecollar.

And that's why I posted. I feel if it's true fear then it's unfair to punish the dog for it. That's why I'm trying to understand what's driving him.

Someone explained to me that just because he's fearful doesn't give him the right to act like an a... And I agree with that.

But still not sure)))))

So you'd stim when he's just about to react? Or how?


ETA I don't know how fearful he is. I actually saw a few trainers and was told that I have a very good dog, that he's a gem, that he's eager to please. Good trainers, with a name.

I also was told that he's not invested in his reactions. Like he's doing it because it's a habit so I just have to break the habit. And that he gives off lots of signs before he reacts.


Every time I see a dog - I watch him and catch before he's about to react. He hasn't reacted to people like this (run up to them off leash) in a year so I wasn't looking at him when I saw people walking. I'm not sure what happened there

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Just always keep in mind that fear-based anything is just that... an animal acting out of fear.

I think its important to keep that in mind, and remember we can't just correct away fear. We can teach behaviors that are incompatible with aggression, or show them other ways to react in stressful/scary situations, but if we really want to change the WHY of those behaviors we have to deal with and eliminate the fear itself.
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Just always keep in mind that fear-based anything is just that... an animal acting out of fear.

I think its important to keep that in mind, and remember we can't just correct away fear. We can teach behaviors that are incompatible with aggression, or show them other ways to react in stressful/scary situations, but if we really want to change the WHY of those behaviors we have to deal with and eliminate the fear itself.

Exactly my point!!!!! About correcting for fear.

I'm scared of snakes, you can beat me all you want and I will still be scared. Maybe at some point I will be scared of the beating more so I will stay quiet but I will still be scared of snakes.


However, I was watching a few videos of people that love them and I started liking them. I still can't approach a snake but i'd be wiling to have someone teach me handle them.

So I believe it's possible to fix fears. Just not sure if it truly goes away forever.
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Before someone asks why I don't go back to the trainers. One lives far and was here for a few days, another moved far 2 weeks after I met her))))))

They're both from ME school. I love his training philosophy and want to follow someone who teaches it
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It's a slippery slope giving advice on fear aggression over the Internet. The honest best advice is get a trainer who can see your dog in person.

And no you don't stim the dog for being reactive. That can actually make things worst.
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