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Old 02-18-2014, 09:07 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Did you address any of the questions I put up? Were you able to view the videos?

What does your breeder say? Are the littermates behaving the same? Did they do a repeat breeding?

will take a luck at videos no as far as i no all her litter mates are doing great zola has always found it hard to get on with people even as a pup she had big problems most of them has been sorted as for a trainer we have been through a few and also classes but nothing has changed in her, its hard work at the moment on walks she is a big girl weighing in at 82 1bs im only little and still worry even when she is on the lead as she can pull me flat out if someone looks at her
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What kind of collar are you using? What are your correction methods?
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What kind of collar are you using? What are your correction methods?
we have tried many collars including a harness ..at the moment we are using part collar and part chain as for correction methods if she pulls we stop and walk the other way and so forth we make her sit when people pass we use a stick to distract her all these work with my husband but for some reason not with me she is on the alert all the time when im walking her
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we have tried many collars including a harness ..at the moment we are using part collar and part chain as for correction methods if she pulls we stop and walk the other way and so forth we make her sit when people pass we use a stick to distract her all these work with my husband but for some reason not with me she is on the alert all the time when im walking her
I would steer away from making her sit as other people or dogs approach you.

Unless I'm wrong, I think your marking your dog nervous by 'forcing' her into a sit, your probably feeling tense as the other person and dog approach and your dog is picking up on these mixed emotions.

I believe this was discussed the other day, someone wrote how it looks from the dogs perspective and it was a awesome and funny read but very true how the dog sees it. Let me see if I can dig it up.
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I would steer away from making her sit as other people or dogs approach you.

Unless I'm wrong, I think your marking your dog nervous by 'forcing' her into a sit, your probably feeling tense as the other person and dog approach and your dog is picking up on these mixed emotions.

I believe this was discussed the other day, someone wrote how it looks from the dogs perspective and it was a awesome and funny read but very true how the dog sees it. Let me see if I can dig it up.
thank you very much that would be great
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" i carnt even talk to people as she will show her teeth they even look at her " that isn't a bite waiting to happen?

so many things revealed -- "worry even when she is on the lead as she can pull me flat out if someone looks at her " and "has always found it hard to get on with people even as a pup she had big problems "

that pretty well says that the dog was nervy from birth .

I don't believe the dog will recall anytime , try it on lead when she is charging ahead . If her recall is reliable she should immediately do a crisp about turn and head toward you.

I would not have this dog run free .

It seems that you have had a personal trainer "we had a trainer who we have just stopped seeing as his attitude was a disgrace"
who was dismissed, plus through a few others and some classes , with no resolve . Are you accepting what the trainers may be saying about the dog and following instructions. I ask because you enter the discussion saying the dog has fear aggression and then being defensive about how she wouldn't harm anyone and how people are misjudging her . If I had a dog charging at me trying to bite my feet , impede my forward mobility, snarl if I looked at it , I would make an instant impression and take action for my welfare .

There are many books dealing with fearful dogs . Behaviour Adjustment Training , Grisha Stewart is a good one Official Behavior Adjustment Training (BAT) site: humane help for aggression, frustration, and fear in dogs, horses, and other animals.

Maybe in the meantime your husband should take charge of the walks and training and see if he can produce a different result in re-socializing the dog , bearing in mind that you are probably fighting the genetics .

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You're asking about a muzzle, but there's so many other problems that need to be fixed first that I don't think it's even worth considering. She can't run free, the way she's behaving. It sounds like it's a real chore for you to even walk her on a leash. So she's probably not getting as much exercise as she needs, which probably makes things worse...it's a vicious circle. Are there other trainers you could consult with? It's great that your husband has this under control, but that doesn't help you much - and I agree with Carmen that it would be best for all if he took charge for now.
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Hello there all........,Ursula`s hubby here ,just thought I`d say a few things after you good people have taken the time to respond to Ursula`s thread.........

Ok ,so where do I start......first of all..yes Zola can be very vocal at some people,I say some, because there are times when it seems she just reacts to certain people.eg the other day Ursula was standing at the bus stop talking to our daughter , with Zola on lead at her side.......now during that 15min chat several people passed ,of which 75% got the "Zola bark " the other 25% got no react whats so ever.....could this have being due to Ursula`s energy or simply the fact that those 25% may not have looked at her ? ? ?

When I walk her I always make sure that I have her fav stick in my hand ( even before the lead is on ) she sits, waits and walks by my side great ( well maybe pulls alittle ) I can take her for a walk around the village,exercise her down our local riverside and walk her back home,without a single bark and yes thats with passing people and dogs along the way,,What I do is LOOK AROUND,, when I see anyone approaching I get her attention with the use of her stick,,if she is walking on lead her stick is in mouth ( to her nothing and no body matters ) she is happy...off lead I am always playing with her with the stick, when people or other dogs are in site ,I take it off her and just wait until they have passed....her attention is fixed on the stick and the people dont even get a glance,,once passed the stick is thrown,she returns drops and waits for the next throw..Happy days.........Now I feel I can never leave the house without that special stick.........
For some strange reason this doesn`t work for Ursula..I think it`s the looking out for people and getting Zola`s attention that Ursula finds hard,,but I feel this is an important part of her training....So how do you feel about the way I approach this ?? Can you give any more advice if any please...I myself do feel a lot better on walks now that I have found this way....
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You're asking about a muzzle, but there's so many other problems that need to be fixed first that I don't think it's even worth considering. She can't run free, the way she's behaving. It sounds like it's a real chore for you to even walk her on a leash. So she's probably not getting as much exercise as she needs, which probably makes things worse...it's a vicious circle. Are there other trainers you could consult with? It's great that your husband has this under control, but that doesn't help you much - and I agree with Carmen that it would be best for all if he took charge for now.
Ha Tony here,great point......me taking charge hehe...but yes because we feel she now needs to lose weight,once a week I take her on a slow 2 mile jog,I do feel lately that she always wants to be by my side, once back in the house,as if all the walks and runs are making a stronger bond ......I know however this must be avoided due to the rest of the family............But yes I do feel I can control Zola a lot better then Ursula....
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What you're doing with the stick is exactly what I did with my pup. Except that I used a tug, and he didn't get to possess it constantly. It was more of a reward for good behavior when the distractions around him were something I knew would set him off - in his case, other dogs got him going.

I think working on her pulling is something you need to get under control too. She needs to understand that life isn't one big party where she can pull and bark and carry on as she wishes, lol. More training would help her - she needs it.
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