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Old 12-29-2012, 04:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It's been a while since I posted anything about Stella's reactivity. (at least I think it has been) Anyway, things were going well after I started using a prong collar. Then we had a bunch of loose dogs charge at her at different times, in different places,....it was crazy. And the weather was nasty so I probably did not walk her as often for a while. Soooooo, it seems we have regressed and Stella has gone back to reacting. Not as bad as before thankfully. My trainer got me an e-collar to use for Stella's barking in the yard, and said I should use it for reactivity as well. I don't really know if I feel comfortable with the e-collar yet. The prong was highly effective, it just looks awful. And I don't want to spend the day shocking her in the yard, while on walks, etc.
A different trainer I go to for more "fun" training is more on the treat treat treat side of things. But I know treats mean nothing to Stella once she gets her "Poof on". (all puffed up, tail stiff)
Just curious as to what might be better....e-collar or prong? And I don't want to start a debate about training methods. For me and Stella, the prong enabled us to take walks and keep things under control......
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But I know treats mean nothing to Stella once she gets her "Poof on". (all puffed up, tail stiff)
For me and Stella, the prong enabled us to take walks and keep things under control......
One of the primary things for good training is timing.

And once your dog is puffed up and has a stiff tail then you probably lost the training window where you would be in control and teach. Instead you are in the bad place of reacting to the bad and doing damage control.

Distance is your friend with a reactive dog and teaching. I personally would maybe have the prong collar on, but wouldn't be relying on that for the training.

Instead I would be working to help my dog become less reactive, rather than punishing once I was LATE and my dog is in freak out zone.

Did you start the clicker training and 'The Surprise Game' yet? How did that work after a few weeks?

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If you do not act your dog might. Who is the leader and defender, well it all rest on you.
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I did my own version of that I guess. But once Stella saw a dog, or whatever, even before she got her "poof on", she wouldn't care if I was a walking filet mignon, wrapped in bacon. And we have gotten to the point where she will "leave it", (the other dog or whatever) if we are not too close. We were at the point of actually being able to walk right by them! Now the big issue is when walking and a dog is coming right towards us. Although, yesterday we did walk by a dog that was coming towards us on the opposite side of the street.
So, what is the best course of action if she starts poofing up? Or what do I do when I see a dog, although she usually sees it first? I maybe can treat her at that point, but I am doubtful. Do I go the other way? Making her sit and try to focus on me doesn't really work out so much.
Maybe we just need to get back at it again.....
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If you do not act your dog might. Who is the leader and defender, well it all rest on you.
Not sure what you mean????
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People just do not go out and use these collars, lazy is bad. They use them for training in the right way and after a certain point.
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People just do not go out and use these collars, lazy is bad. They use them for training in the right way and after a certain point.
I must be in need of a strong cup of coffee because I am still not sure what you are trying to say.
I did not just go out and use the prong. I have worked with a trainer who worked with Stella first and then showed me. I haven't had the e-collar very long and with the holidays and other stuff, I haven't seen my trainer since getting it. We have talked on the phone about how I should use it. I just don't know if it would be more effective than a prong. And I am not sure I like using it for this particular issue.
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You have to be the leader and defender, K9s know that! So I wonder what kind of people want a dog these days? Never ask your dog more then yourself please.
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I must be in need of a strong cup of coffee because I am still not sure what you are trying to say.
I did not just go out and use the prong. I have worked with a trainer who worked with Stella first and then showed me. I haven't had the e-collar very long and with the holidays and other stuff, I haven't seen my trainer since getting it. We have talked on the phone about how I should use it. I just don't know if it would be more effective than a prong. And I am not sure I like using it for this particular issue.
Sorry, do what you would for your self and help a dog along, dogs are not people
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Now the big issue is when walking and a dog is coming right towards us.
Just because a dog is walking towards you doesn't mean you have to keep walking towards it while you are working thru this issue. Going down a side street. Taking your dog off the sidewalk and into a sit with you between it and the oncoming dog/handler. Crossing to the other side of the road. Not walking your dog in areas where you may meet a dog until you work thru this again.

Go back and really watch/listen to the video The Surprise Party and don't dismiss the time element involved. Though since it sounded like things were better for awhile if you are consistant things may progress well. Set your dog up to SUCCEED rather than fail so if you know something is too much than avoid it rather than have another bad experience.

Did you purchase/view the DVD 'Calming Signals' by Turid Rugaas? Tons of information on reactive dogs and how to help early on before the situation is out of hand, and how to look for the quieter precurser signals our dogs throw out that we 'stupid' humans tend to miss entirely or misread.


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