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Old 12-05-2012, 10:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Golden retrievers are known for being friendly to all but they sure can stand up for themselves when they need to -- they are not dogs to be "picked on."
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lol i still am trying to pin-point exactly when and how GR's and Labs became the international icons of doclility - both breeds were serious working dogs not for pet owners way back when i was a kid, especially the lab, many were quiet civil aggressive.
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My golden retriever will not pick a fight but she will quickly settle one.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:48 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Redirected aggression. My oldest dog has done this. For example she is barking at the window and another dog approaches, she is mad that the other dog is at the window, but she can't get to it, so she goes for the dog inside that is in her way. I stop her immediately and my two other dogs do not attempt to go near her when she is in this state..they back down and let her have the window. It doesn't happen all the time by any means, but it has happened.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Very interesting replies.

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One day, I'm gonna have a long talk with Cesar Milan.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:51 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'd agree w/redirection if they attacked any old dog, but they pick an underling in these situations
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my young man-oriented gsd will stop barking at someone if my older female mutt comes over and decides she wants to bark at the same stimulus - i often wondered if it was deferring behaviour to a senior/higher ranked dog???
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I'd agree w/redirection if they attacked any old dog, but they pick an underling in these situations
So you're saying that it's a better chance of establishing pack order?


That small scene reminded me of a thread a number of months ago. I think it was Cliffson1 talking about how there's always an evolving rank system in a dog park, and that's one of the main reasons why dog parks generally don't work.
In this case, maybe it was small, but it appears to be the same.
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Not necessarily "establishing" but "reinforcing"?

I injured Pebble's 'pride' and she was going to remind the lowest on the totem pole that he was still the lowest and she was definitely above him.

I have seen her redirect and she redirects on the closest dog - regardless of rank.

I see redirection as being a different type of 'frustration' than what occurred with me disciplining her, or the dogs @ the park disciplining that dog.

Redirection is a 'heat of the moment' and because they can't bite the object of their anger/frustration, they turn to the closest dog there. Often the dog they redirect on is injured or taken so by surprise they back off and if an owner or other human is nearby (or even walking the dog who redirected) they can control the situation.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:06 PM   #20 (permalink)
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my young man-oriented gsd will stop barking at someone if my older female mutt comes over and decides she wants to bark at the same stimulus - i often wondered if it was deferring behaviour to a senior/higher ranked dog???
Now that you mention this, I may have witnessed this in my own house.
In addition to my 18 month female GSD, I have a 7 year old Maltese. My GSD will make some noise if she hears something in front of the house. However, if the Maltese starts barking AFTER my GSD, the GSD will stop barking, and allow the maltese to continue.

Also witness a similar food ritual....
I've given my GSD a Milkbone. There are times, where my GSD will bring the bone, and place it right in front of the Maltese. She will then lay down directly in front of the Maltese, and watch as the maltese eats "her offering".
What's up with that? Is she respecting her senior higher ranked canine?
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