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It doesn't harm a dog to learn to be on it's own, either. At some point it will have to be "by itself", and while you are in the house is a good way to start.
That said, when we adopted an adult GSD, we crated him right in the front room. It worked just fine. The shut down is not a "set in stone" formula. Just like any tool it can be tailor made to the situation and the dog. Some dogs don't need it. Others - can't settle into a home without it. To write it off completely because you didn't like one part, makes no sense. Besides, some dogs do need that much "down time", it all depends on the dog. |
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I think some people see the 2 week shut down as a form of sensory deprivation torture like those that cause Stockholm Syndrome.
Every dog is different and some may not need this, and others a variation of it. I have had Benny since a pup and occasionally when he got real amped up over things going on in the house would crate him and put a sheet over the crate. This gave him a chance to calm himself down without isolating him
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http://www.bigdogsbighearts.com/2_week_shutdown0001.pdf
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Michelle is right, it works for any and all breeds.
Plus I find it vastly interesting that we intro'ed all new fosters into our home just like this - for their safety and our own dog's safety...no matter what the breed...before we knew it was a "method"! Anyone who has brought a foster or adopted dog home and had things go south immediately has done it. Or they brought the dog back to the shelter, hardly a viable option, IMO, unless things were really bad. Instead of tempting fate, we integrate them the same way and it rarely fails. |
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Even a dog needs some peace and quiet. When Hans was a little puppy I always crated him somewhere else for his naps, otherwise he wouldn't get the good, deep sleep he needed. This isn't about isolating the dog, it is about giving him some breathing room. |
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I had one trainer tell me it was a terrible thing to do to a shepherd, so when I adopted Tasha I asked the rescue to comment on the two week shut down... Not only was their expert kind enough to answer me in a long email but also comment on it in a blog post. From the Sticky Dog Blog..
"PS. I have seen a protocol called a "two week shutdown" several websites promote. Some rescues insist on it for all adopters. There seems to be some debate over it's worth. Some people swear by it, some people swear at it. I don't see the benefit in any form of isolation, the feeling of abandonment and separation from the pack is probably in my view one of the most painful and emotionally punishing ways to distress a dog, a pack animal. Do not isolate the dog in the back yard, or the laundry room, or the spare bedroom either. Spend loving time growing your new dog to be the best he can be." |
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hmmmm...I see the point in what you are saying, shepherdmom, and don't disagree. But I don't think there is a single thing I've ever learned that I didn't modify to some extent.
The dog is supposed to be watching what is going on in the house, out playing with the owner...just not overwhelmed with new experiences like other animals, new places, training, etc. That allows the dog to chill out a bit and bond with the owner. So if you don't like the "isolation" part, why not set up a crate in the area that everyone is in AND one in a quiet room so the dog can have down time if need be?
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I guess the expert doesn't believe in teaching the dog to be OK with alone time.
I think it is important for the dog to be OK by himself. Separation anxiety is not pleasant, and if the dog can't handle separation, that's a sign that he needs more of it. There have been times when we absolutely could not come home and Hans had to spend time alone, and it was nice to find him sleeping and content when we returned. I contrast this with my parents' dogs who treated them to a screeching whine fest when they would return. We can probably go around and around on this. I remember similar discussions on parenting boards by people who advocated attachment parenting and those who felt it was important for the child to learn to self soothe. No one budged on their POV there, either
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