Being "civil" and social aggression?

[x11]

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

There is also the dog that doesn't need to be teased up(eye contact or a facial expression is enough). It'll bite for real just because it can.

anything like the behaviours this green pup is showing;

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...-side-vid.html

[KristiM]

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

There is also the dog that doesn't need to be teased up(eye contact or a facial expression is enough). It'll bite for real just because it can.
This is where handler management comes in when the dog is young/learning because a young dog doesn't always make the right choices!

This^ As Havoc matures I have become more comfortable with his decision making but I do still worry about the dummy that decides to challenge him. He will always have to be "managed" because of this.

[Jag]

Originally Posted by x11

anything like the behaviours this green pup is showing;

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...-side-vid.html

Um, I don't see it.

[Jag]

Originally Posted by KristiM

This would depend on what you want the dog for. Don't get me wrong I do love Havoc but owning him is a challenge. He is always kinda looking for a fight and I have to watch him like a hawk. I think about what would happen if some dummy decides to challenge back? Stranger things have happened. Havoc would bite someone, not because he is scared or whatever but because he is a dominant a** who thinks he owns the world. I can understand why you would want a SMALL amount of it, like it talks about in that link posted, it is not about a fight/flight thing and the dog is not stressed about it. So it can be useful for bite work, also useful for police dogs I would imagine.

After owning Havoc, I don't want another dog like this. Ya his larger than life personality is cool, but he is sooo much work.

This is how I'm thinking Grim will be. Just because he has that "I own the world" personality already. He's had that forever. I'll have to wait and see as he matures how he carries himself with this mentality. When he struts like that I call him "Mr. Grim" LOL!

[x11]

Originally Posted by Jag

Um, I don't see it.

don't see the behavior or the vid??

[KristiM]

Originally Posted by x11

anything like the behaviours this green pup is showing;

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...-side-vid.html

I think the potential is there. In the first vid he definitely strikes me as more excited than anything. I think you need a better hepler lol, hopefully you don't take offense to that Dogs need building by experienced helpers. He looks like a nice dog, not overly serious, but at this age he really shouldn't be. The important thing (to my inexperienced eye) is that he really doesn't look insecure, the barrier does help with that though. Nice dog, an experienced helper will be able to give you a good idea of his potential and help to build on his strong points.

[x11]

Originally Posted by KristiM

I think the potential is there. In the first vid he definitely strikes me as more excited than anything. I think you need a better hepler lol, hopefully you don't take offense to that Dogs need building by experienced helpers. He looks like a nice dog, not overly serious, but at this age he really shouldn't be. The important thing (to my inexperienced eye) is that he really doesn't look insecure, the barrier does help with that though. Nice dog, an experienced helper will be able to give you a good idea of his potential and help to build on his strong points.

not offended by helper comment - he's all i got so hope he doesn't read yr comment

[PatchonGSD]

Originally Posted by KristiM

This would depend on what you want the dog for. Don't get me wrong I do love Havoc but owning him is a challenge. He is always kinda looking for a fight and I have to watch him like a hawk. I think about what would happen if some dummy decides to challenge back? Stranger things have happened. Havoc would bite someone, not because he is scared or whatever but because he is a dominant a** who thinks he owns the world. I can understand why you would want a SMALL amount of it, like it talks about in that link posted, it is not about a fight/flight thing and the dog is not stressed about it. So it can be useful for bite work, also useful for police dogs I would imagine.

After owning Havoc, I don't want another dog like this. Ya his larger than life personality is cool, but he is sooo much work.

So in other words...a dog with social aggression is a dog that isnt hard to "set off" and will happily "take the challenger on his challenge." Is that fair to say?

[pets4life]

kristi dog havoc sounds like both a social aggessive and a civil dog in 1 a 2 in 1 deal lol


A dog like is also what onyx was talking about.


Pactchon NO that is not the case you can make any civil dog fight you pretty much but a dog like havoc just sounds like he is LOOKING for a fight he is what my trainer calls an "aggressive civil dog' Or what we are calling a civil dog with social aggression.


You can make a good dog fight a person pretty easy by fighting their handler or fighting them a good decoy can turn on a good dog within seconds. But a dog like the one kristi talks about seems to beg for that kind of challenge from ANYONE> A real piece of work lol These dogs need a very experienced handler and are not common at all.

Jag most gsds have the i can take on the world attitude but the one shes talking about is something else. I am pretty sure ur not going to end up with a dog like this.

x11 i don't think ur dog is like that either tbh. JMHO.

[KristiM]

Originally Posted by PatchonGSD

So in other words...a dog with social aggression is a dog that isnt hard to "set off" and will happily "take the challenger on his challenge." Is that fair to say?

First I'm really not an expert, but have learned a lot because of Havoc. He isn't easy to set off in a reactive type of way, like people acting funny, wearing stuff he's never seen before, etc. But yes easy to set off if you are being overly forward, aggressive, staring etc. Also when he gets "set off" he doesn't make nosie initially, he will "go" for someone and if he can't reach them he will start to huff and puff very angrily. He won't "set off" like a normal reactive dog, for expample when Havoc is staring someone down and they are oblivious and walk up and pet him I don't worry about him biting them. But if that GLARING woman on the hike started approaching us yelling or something he would have happily engaged her.