Being "civil" and social aggression?

[pets4life]

kristi u really think most sport dogs will bite with no equipment on ? how would you make them do that usually just curious if you had to?

[gagsd]

"Prey" can be two very different things. I have realized this recently

Is the helper working as the prey?
or is the sleeve presented as the prey?

Very different concepts.... both considered working in "prey."

[gagsd]

Originally Posted by pets4life

kristi u really think most sport dogs will bite with no equipment on ? how would you make them do that usually just curious if you had to?

Many sport dogs that I have seen, are proofed against biting without equipment.

[pets4life]

a lot of dogs seem to be in a state of mix of prey and defense they arent in either drive though

[PatchonGSD]

So what is the difference between "civil" and social aggression? I was starting to think it was the same thing.

[PatchonGSD]

Also, is "social aggression" a bad thing? I've read in other threads on the PDB that some people think that it should not be bred for and cant understand why anyone would want a dog with social aggression.

[KristiM]

Originally Posted by gagsd

"Prey" can be two very different things. I have realized this recently

Is the helper working as the prey?
or is the sleeve presented as the prey?

Very different concepts.... both considered working in "prey."

This is how you get sport dogs to bite "for real" the helper acts like prey. You frustrate the dog the same way you would with a sleeve or pillow, only there is no sleeve or pillow just a person. The dog bites out of frustration "prey."

[onyx'girl]

There is also the dog that doesn't need to be teased up(eye contact or a facial expression is enough). It'll bite for real just because it can.
This is where handler management comes in when the dog is young/learning because a young dog doesn't always make the right choices!

[PatchonGSD]

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

There is also the dog that doesn't need to be teased up(eye contact or a facial expression is enough). It'll bite for real just because it can.
This is where handler management comes in when the dog is young/learning because a young dog doesn't always make the right choices!

Is that civil or social aggression?

[KristiM]

Originally Posted by PatchonGSD

Also, is "social aggression" a bad thing? I've read in other threads on the PDB that some people think that it should not be bred for and cant understand why anyone would want a dog with social aggression.

This would depend on what you want the dog for. Don't get me wrong I do love Havoc but owning him is a challenge. He is always kinda looking for a fight and I have to watch him like a hawk. I think about what would happen if some dummy decides to challenge back? Stranger things have happened. Havoc would bite someone, not because he is scared or whatever but because he is a dominant a** who thinks he owns the world. I can understand why you would want a SMALL amount of it, like it talks about in that link posted, it is not about a fight/flight thing and the dog is not stressed about it. So it can be useful for bite work, also useful for police dogs I would imagine.

After owning Havoc, I don't want another dog like this. Ya his larger than life personality is cool, but he is sooo much work.