"Not so - calming signal" from Kira.

[Lucy Dog]

Is Kira staring at the other dogs as she passes? Is she focusing on the other dog at all?

[Anthony8858]

UPDATE:

Paul, your answer may be below.

My wife has no idea that I started this thread (as well as many others ..LOL)

I'm at work, and my wife just called me.

She tells me that she took Kira for a 2 hour walk today. Along the way, she met with a neighbor around the corner. The neighbor has a 2 yr old female WGSL named "Zena". Zena is a calm, very playful GSD. Kira has played with her in the past, without issues.

My wife invites the neighbor to go for a walk with her. They're all walking together, side by side, and about 10 minutes into the walk, Zena goes after Kira. (Both leashed, so no harm).
I asked my wife if she had any idea why Zena suddenly changed her love for Kira, and she said that the Zena's owner noticed a slight snarl from Kira, as they were walking. (Kira showed her teeth).
She said Kira instigated it.
Both women corrected, and they were OK.

This may be what I'm not seeing.

My wife just ironically sent me a picture of her and Zena hanging out together.
This is the closest I've had Kira next to another dog in a while.
They were chewing a stick together.

(Kira on left with the choke collar)

[Sunflowers]

The Stealth Snarl! Why, the little vixen! LOL!

[Lucy Dog]

Not really an answer to what I was initially asking, but some kind of communication is going on between Kira and other dogs that you may not be picking up on.

Did you wife happen to say what was going on immediately before Kira growled and showed her teeth? How exactly were they walking together? How much distance between the two dogs? Any sticks or toys involved? Any other dogs or people in the general area?

And after Kira snarled... how did Zena's owner react? Did she immediately pull on the leash to separate the two? That's almost a guarantee to cause a reaction like in this situation where a snarl quickly turns into lunging/barking.

[Anthony8858]

When I get home, I'll address all those questions. I'm really curious how this played out.


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[Anthony8858]

OK, got the story from my wife....

She said she and her friend approached each other. Both dogs did nothing for a few seconds. Kira was next to my wife, and Zena was next to her owner.
Then, after a few seconds of just sitting there, Zena went after Kira. Kira just stood there, but moved back a bit.
She said they both did nothing but move the dogs away from each other, and continued talking. They acted as if nothing happened.
They decided to go for a walk.
The dogs were positioned on the outside of each owner.

Then, Zena's owner saw Kira look towards Zena, and show her teeth, without provocation. Zena responded by snapping and growling towards Kira.
(Definitely some bad communication going on here)

The women stayed in between both dogs, and just told them to "knock it off".

THEN, like a magic spell kicked in, Zena went into a play bow position, and invited Kira to play. The women were both leery, and just let them lay next to each other, and chew some branches.

All in all, my wife says that early on, Zena had it in for Kira. If they were loose, Kira would have gotten it from Zena.
Zena is a nice dog. She's well socialized, attends Camp Bow Wow on a regular basis, and NEVER has dog issues.
I'm blaming something here on Kira.

[doggiedad]

stay on topic. leave us dark skinned people out of it.

Originally Posted by jocoyn

I have actually heard that THIS may be the reason some dogs who have not been socialized to dark skinned people might react agressively (eyes and teeth / contrast)

[doggiedad]

it could be some dog communication that only dogs
can translate.

[QUOTE=Anthony8858;2603103]OK, got the story from my wife....

She said she and her friend approached each other. Both dogs did nothing for a few seconds. Kira was next to my wife, and Zena was next to her owner.
Then, after a few seconds of just sitting there, Zena went after Kira. Kira just stood there, but moved back a bit.
She said they both did nothing but move the dogs away from each other, and continued talking. They acted as if nothing happened.
They decided to go for a walk.
The dogs were positioned on the outside of each owner.

Then, Zena's owner saw Kira look towards Zena, and show her teeth, without provocation. Zena responded by snapping and growling towards Kira.
(Definitely some bad communication going on here)

The women stayed in between both dogs, and just told them to "knock it off".

THEN, like a magic spell kicked in, Zena went into a play bow position, and invited Kira to play. The women were both leery, and just let them lay next to each other, and chew some branches.

All in all, my wife says that early on, Zena had it in for Kira. If they were loose, Kira would have gotten it from Zena.
Zena is a nice dog. She's well socialized, attends Camp Bow Wow on a regular basis, and NEVER has dog issues.

>>>>> I'm blaming something here on Kira.<<<<<[/QUOTE]

[doggiedad]

i have the go everywhere of leash dog. we walk into
homes where there's cats and there's no reaction,
people come to our house with their dogs and it's playtime,
we walk through flocks of birds when in the woods and there's
no reaction, you get the idea. one day we're in the woods
and we pass a GSD. i didn't like the way the other dog looked
at my dog so i held his collar. out of nowhere my dog let out
a serious bark and growl. then the other dog reacted. one time
my dog was laying in front of our table at this restraraunt. a Great
Dan and it's human walked past. the Dan didn't see my dog because
of where he was laying. out of nowhere my dog got up and growled
and barked seriously at the Dan. that's 2 times by dog reacted to another
dog. my dog is 5 yrs old. in both cases my dog reacted first to what
i considered nothing.

[Anthony8858]

Originally Posted by doggiedad

i have the go everywhere of leash dog. we walk into
homes where there's cats and there's no reaction,
people come to our house with their dogs and it's playtime,
we walk through flocks of birds when in the woods and there's
no reaction, you get the idea. one day we're in the woods
and we pass a GSD. i didn't like the way the other dog looked
at my dog so i held his collar. out of nowhere my dog let out
a serious bark and growl. then the other dog reacted. one time
my dog was laying in front of our table at this restraraunt. a Great
Dan and it's human walked past. the Dan didn't see my dog because
of where he was laying. out of nowhere my dog got up and growled
and barked seriously at the Dan. that's 2 times by dog reacted to another
dog. my dog is 5 yrs old. in both cases my dog reacted first to what
i considered nothing.

Understood.

Whatever that "nothing" is, Kira is doing it.