What type of Aggression is this?

pac liter · 08-31-2010, 02:53 PM

What type of aggression is this? I am thinking fear. The only reason I ask is her tail is up.

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Whiteshepherds · 08-31-2010, 04:15 PM

I hope someone with a lot of experience answers this.
I don't see any aggression, just a dog alerting to something on the other side of the door. (what WAS on the other side of the door???)

**JakodaCD OA** · 08-31-2010, 04:22 PM

well I couldn't tell you either, unless you opened that door so we could see how she reacted to whatever was on the other side.

If someone was on the other side of the door banging on it, I'd say she was alert barking,,

gagsd · 08-31-2010, 04:24 PM

Territorial. You see plenty of dogs that bark ferociously behind a dor or fence. VERY different than face to face.

BTW- are you military?

KZoppa · 08-31-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gagsd

Territorial. You see plenty of dogs that bark ferociously behind a dor or fence. VERY different than face to face.

BTW- are you military?

LMAO i was going to ask the same thing! its the way he talks to rabbit. I would also agree thats its territorial but without know her reaction to what was on the other side of the door thats about all i can say.

Whiteshepherds · 08-31-2010, 04:31 PM

BTW- are you military?

LOL, glad I wasn't the only one who wanted to ask that!

pac liter · 08-31-2010, 04:34 PM

She was going beserk at the landscapers who had a leaf blower. If I had opened that door she would have charged and bitten. She charges the pool man and he has to block her bites with his equipment. Her name is Rabbit. We got her 3-4 months ago from a crowded GSD rescue.

Nah Im not military, too scared.

KZoppa · 08-31-2010, 04:36 PM

My husband is military. I dont respond well to people yelling at me or telling me what to do. She responds well to commands. Very pretty dog. Good luck with her. Least you know you're house is safe with her there!!!

pac liter · 08-31-2010, 06:09 PM

I know all the yelling is obnoxious. Im new at this and I don't like to yell but my dogs seem to respond better under distraction to military style commands and that is also how my trainer gives commands (I suspect he is ex military).

Also there is a loud leaf blower you can hear in the background, requiring me to project loudly.

AgileGSD · 08-31-2010, 06:42 PM

I had the volume off but dogs respond much better to training them what you want them to do then yelling at them for what you don't want them to do. Without the sound, I noticed Rabbit showing signs of stress and I would guess it was a response to the yelling.

She seems to be territorial and have barrier frustration, both traitsGSDs are known for. I wouldn't suggest letting her charge out the door and hoping people can fend off her biting them. She needs better management but not in the form of yelling or physical punishment. For example, instead of retraining and punishing the territorial behavior teach Rabbit to run to a specific area and wait (such as a mat away from the door) when she hears someone out front. I have a very territorial Belgian and was able to teach her to come to the back room at work when customers came in the front. So instead of barking and wanting to grab at people over the gate, she would bark once and run into the back room.

One other reason to teach a specific behavior instead of just relying on physically restraining and intimidating the dogs is that the Lab's behavior made me think there may be a tendency towards redirected aggression with her. If she ends up grabbing the GSD (redirecting) while the GSD is "after" whatever is on the other side of the door you could have a fight on your hands. It would be best all around to get them to tone down the front door behavior.

08-31-2010, 04:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 13,095	well I couldn't tell you either, unless you opened that door so we could see how she reacted to whatever was on the other side. If someone was on the other side of the door banging on it, I'd say she was alert barking,, __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

08-31-2010, 04:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
gagsd Knighted Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: georgia Posts: 2,757	Territorial. You see plenty of dogs that bark ferociously behind a dor or fence. VERY different than face to face. BTW- are you military? __________________ Mary and the furry crew www.columbusworkingdogs.com

08-31-2010, 04:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
Whiteshepherds Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Northeastern Connecticut Posts: 2,597	I hope someone with a lot of experience answers this. I don't see any aggression, just a dog alerting to something on the other side of the door. (what WAS on the other side of the door???)

08-31-2010, 04:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
Whiteshepherds Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Northeastern Connecticut Posts: 2,597	BTW- are you military? LOL, glad I wasn't the only one who wanted to ask that!

08-31-2010, 04:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
pac liter Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 43	She was going beserk at the landscapers who had a leaf blower. If I had opened that door she would have charged and bitten. She charges the pool man and he has to block her bites with his equipment. Her name is Rabbit. We got her 3-4 months ago from a crowded GSD rescue. Nah Im not military, too scared.

08-31-2010, 04:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
KZoppa Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Maryland kinda missing CO Posts: 12,846	My husband is military. I dont respond well to people yelling at me or telling me what to do. She responds well to commands. Very pretty dog. Good luck with her. Least you know you're house is safe with her there!!!

08-31-2010, 06:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
pac liter Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 43	I know all the yelling is obnoxious. Im new at this and I don't like to yell but my dogs seem to respond better under distraction to military style commands and that is also how my trainer gives commands (I suspect he is ex military). Also there is a loud leaf blower you can hear in the background, requiring me to project loudly.

08-31-2010, 06:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
AgileGSD Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,579	I had the volume off but dogs respond much better to training them what you want them to do then yelling at them for what you don't want them to do. Without the sound, I noticed Rabbit showing signs of stress and I would guess it was a response to the yelling. She seems to be territorial and have barrier frustration, both traitsGSDs are known for. I wouldn't suggest letting her charge out the door and hoping people can fend off her biting them. She needs better management but not in the form of yelling or physical punishment. For example, instead of retraining and punishing the territorial behavior teach Rabbit to run to a specific area and wait (such as a mat away from the door) when she hears someone out front. I have a very territorial Belgian and was able to teach her to come to the back room at work when customers came in the front. So instead of barking and wanting to grab at people over the gate, she would bark once and run into the back room. One other reason to teach a specific behavior instead of just relying on physically restraining and intimidating the dogs is that the Lab's behavior made me think there may be a tendency towards redirected aggression with her. If she ends up grabbing the GSD (redirecting) while the GSD is "after" whatever is on the other side of the door you could have a fight on your hands. It would be best all around to get them to tone down the front door behavior.

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