So, Its been so long since i posted.
Yesterday after work i went out to drink and got home drunk.
I was eating some pork chops and gave rex half of the piece of gras on the outside of the chop. then my girlfriend gave him a bowl of dried food because we didnt have meat, usually he eats raw meat but when we don't have we give him some dried food. When I Feed him meat from my hands its ok , but when i feed him meat in his bowl whoever walks near him he growls. Yesterday it was just dried food, and when i told him "Rex go eat" surprisingly he growled at me and gave me a bad look. i shouted at him, and he growled and bited my hand but didnt do any damage. i was so shocked i punched him in the face and droped him on the floor then he woke up he was gonna growl again and when i stood up he ran away hiding under the bed. i Don't know whats gotten into my dog. he doesn't even attack dogs outside that bark at him he just looks at them without even barking. he is even starting to growl at my GF when she tries to take something from him latly altough he never does that to me he usually obeys me. but growling and biting me cause i point my finger at a bowl of dried food? :S
this dog never showed any signs of aggression but i from yesterday im really starting to thinking that the raw meat does get a dog aggressive.
please anybody can give me some help, what happened? what should i do now? i still didnt talk with him he's just lying around and not moving sleeping right now.
yeah im waiting patiently for an answer , cause im woried. the strike was out of self defence nothing to hurt the dog but in case of aggression i prefer to kill the dog then the dog kills me of course. i never hitted the dog i hate animal violence so don't take me like that on that one.
no i don't yell at him the way a mother yells at children to make the point, i yell at him in a commanding voice, not in a shouting voice. about my drunk persona unless he can smell me drunk and hates the smell i doubt that since i act normaly when im drunk at home with my gf.
I am not the person to answer this, as I am not experienced enough.
But, I was just thinking after reading your post, that if there where such a thing like a forum for GSDs discussing their people, your dog would probably post a similar post, asking for advice, as his owner suddenly acted aggressive on him, although usually acts nice...
also on saturdays me and my friends are always drunk at home making noises and things he always plays with us normally never showed any agression.
just to give some hints , could this be because i used to wrestle with him and fight with each other to play ? or maybe cause some times i used to give him a small hit on the back when he does bad things (no harm or things like that) cause i read its good to do it sometimes somewere on the net.
Its not, and it probably is a contributor towards him being aggressive towards you. The more experienced members will be awake here shortly and give you some better input on this situation, but you're not gonna get any positive feedback on striking your dog, whether it physically harmed him or not. Believe me, it causes more mental harm than physical and damages the relationship and trust your dog has in you. And you may be encountering a long road to get him back where you'd like him to be. I'm sure that others on here will be able to give you some good information on that.
Who knows what went through your dogs mind, could be food aggression, could be he was sensing some anxitey from your drunken state, could be he's maturing, etc.. But why not on the days you and your buddy's are drinking/getting drunk.. crate the dog in a quiet part of the house?
Darksmoke- It's me Danielle from the reptile forum- I am not shocked to see this post from you buddy The two of us have gone round for round on reptile issues and it occurs to me in Malta people just handle their dogs different. NEVER yell at or hit a dog- NEVER!!! Okay now search on food aggression because it's not uncommon and there are ways to deal with it. I would also research NILIF training because it will reestablish you as dominant in the house without violence. I hope you do these two things and don't blow the advise off- it will really help you and your dog
Darksmoke, you use to wrestle with your dog, now he is showing power and doesn't know it isn't ok anymore. Your dog growls and you yell. You get drunk around your dog.
Your dog gets punched to the point of being knocked out. I think you need to step back and analyze how you treat your dog.
I don't blame the dog for growling, he is trying to protect himself and giving you a warning to please back off.
A dog doesn't show aggression because of the raw meat...
I cant believe you punched your dog in the face? Yelling and hitting a dog will only make things worse. He will become more aggressive. Please dont hit him anymore and dont raise your voice at him either. If he growls at you he needs to go take a time out in his crate.
And to reiterate, PEOPLE DO NOT PUNCH THEIR DOGS IN THE FACE AND KNOCK THEM OUT! Sorry I had to yell that.
Your dog is a product of what YOU made him, from the way he acted, it doesn't sound like this is the first time you have yelled, punched/hit him.
I also think, as jane said, you need to step back and analyze how you treat your dog. Maybe he'd be better off in a different home with someone who has more knowledge on how to treat animals.
And to reiterate, PEOPLE DO NOT PUNCH THEIR DOGS IN THE FACE AND KNOCK THEM OUT! Sorry I had to yell that.
Your dog is a product of what YOU made him, from the way he acted, it doesn't sound like this is the first time you have yelled, punched/hit him.
I also think, as jane said, you need to step back and analyze how you treat your dog. Maybe he'd be better off in a different home with someone who has more knowledge on how to treat animals.
It's confusing to our dogs when we act one way when sober, and another when drunk. Irratic and undependable which is unstable for a dog. So they will already be on edge if that's the situation in the house.
Using aggression (punching your dog in the fact and knocking him down) to prevent aggression (growling and nipping) does NOT work/teach/train. It only ADDS to the confusion, irratic situation and STRESS for the dog. So instead of stopping the problem it pretty much assures it will not only happen again, but escalate.
Not cause of the dogs behavior. But because of YOUR behavior and not teaching.
Don't mess with your dogs food. Put it down and let him eat. If you want to start TEACHING then (whenyou are sober) use tricks and training with food rewards FROM YOUR HAND to teach him your hands are good, not threatening any they GIVE food rather than take it away (or punch).
As is mentioned, a good Alpha Pack Leader isn't good cause of force. They are good cause they are dependable, reliable, consistant and FAIR. Good leaders don't do so with force and fear, but with using good sense (sober sense).
I can't see any advice doing any good if you think punching your dog in the face is considered acceptable punishment, hard enough that you drop him no less.
If you're under attack I can understand doing whatever it takes, but that doesn't sound like the case by reading the OP.
If I could offer 1 piece of advice it would be to re-home this dog and wait until you grow up a bit before you take on this kind of responsibility. Someone's going to get hurt and this dog will be the one to suffer the consequence.
I would also consider the fact that you may have caused some serious physical damage to this dog. You punched him and knocked him out and now he's just laying around, not moving?? I agree with the above posts. Find a good home for this dog and get educated before you get another one.
I would instinctively reply that you have not been the pack leader in your home for quite some time and that your dog has decided to step up, since you haven't. Small things can reinstate you as leader, but his trust of you may take quite some time. I understand your point of view, but I do not agree with it. You should never try to touch or pet your dog while they are eating, especially if you did not take the time to touch or pet them while eating before. Dogs require leadership. If you have not read the book, Training Your German Shepherd Dog by Dan Rice, I would suggest that you do so. Never punch your dog or hit your dog. It only causes mistrust and puts the dog on the defensive. You have to prove to your dog that you are in control and that all is right in his world. Being drunk and rowdy around him does not encourage that. As another poster stated, crate him or put him in another room when your buddies come over.
When you told him to go eat, did you make a hand-montion towards the bowl? Because I bet he tought you were going to hit him, since apparently you have in the past, and that is why he growled and bit your hand. He is getting to stand up for himself, and you created this in fear and anger towards you by your own actions.
You are asking for help in your subject line - I feel that it is your behaviour the problem, so you need to change.
And it is hard to side with someone who gets drunk on a regular basis and hits their dog. Can't see how we can help, unless you are willing to change your actions and behaviours. And your dog is now standing up for himself, as Jane was saying. If you don't think that you can change, maybe the best thing for him is to be in a different environment where people don't drink so much, and treat him fairly.
There is a lot of bad advice on the internet - if you read something odd, like hitting your dog is good way to make sure they know their place (as you can see, it is not!!), you should run it by the forum people here that have tons of experience and see what they say.
i think people here have misunderstand me. i never hitted my dog as long as he's been in my home. and no , i didnt knock my dog out yesterday and throwed him on the floor and he wasnt able to move, i don't know were people read this. i acted out of protection because he growled at me and instantly bited my hand and i punched in defence altough the dog just went hiding out under the bed. the dog doesn't have any injuries and is fine without any harm.
somebody here said that it was food protection, i highly doubt it since today during eating his dried food he was cudling with me between bites and i was holding his food bowl to eat the last bit altough he is protective when i feed him meat.
2 things were mentioned wich i think one of them is the reason, 1. that i wasn't the pack leader maybe, but he always obeyes me usualy, 2 is that he is maturing because he's about 1year8months old.
im looking forward for more advice, and i would apriciate if you wouldn't take it against me for punching my dog because a german sheperd bited my hand out of agresion, its basic instinct to protect yourself. im normal.
So, Its been so long since i posted.
Yesterday after work i went out to drink and got home drunk.
I was eating some pork chops and gave rex half of the piece of gras on the outside of the chop. then my girlfriend gave him a bowl of dried food because we didnt have meat, usually he eats raw meat but when we don't have we give him some dried food. When I Feed him meat from my hands its ok , but when i feed him meat in his bowl whoever walks near him he growls. Yesterday it was just dried food, and when i told him "Rex go eat" surprisingly he growled at me and gave me a bad look. i shouted at him, and he growled and bited my hand but didnt do any damage. i was so shocked i punched him in the face and droped him on the floor then he woke up he was gonna growl again and when i stood up he ran away hiding under the bed. i Don't know whats gotten into my dog. he doesn't even attack dogs outside that bark at him he just looks at them without even barking. he is even starting to growl at my GF when she tries to take something from him latly altough he never does that to me he usually obeys me. but growling and biting me cause i point my finger at a bowl of dried food? :S
this dog never showed any signs of aggression but i from yesterday im really starting to thinking that the raw meat does get a dog aggressive.
please anybody can give me some help, what happened? what should i do now? i still didnt talk with him he's just lying around and not moving sleeping right now.
from what you typed, you punched him, he dropped to the floor in a manner that required him to later (at some undetermined amount of time) WAKE up.... if you hit him hard enough to cause that, you not only need to reevaluate your relationship with your dog, but also your ability to handle your drinking.
not sure how often you read this forum, but pretty much anybody can ascertain in a relatively short amount of reading that this forum frowns on that. in a major way. please don't get your britches bound up because we don't like the fact you hit your dog, which YOU yourself said you did in your first post of this thread.
punching a dog in the face when you're drunk is not normal. sorry.
I don't think anyone is saying you aren't normal, just maybe rethink how to react to that sort of situation. Striking you dog because the dog is REACTING to how you have trained it is unfair.
Has this dog been to classes? Socialized? What is the back round?
the dog is very social, he never been to clases. he's always good with people , and always want to play with everyone with his toys and things like that. he plays with other dogs and wants to even play with dogs that are aggressive against him thats why im so surprised he got agresive all of a suden since this dog doesn't even bark or every showed any sign of aggression. i know i did bad, and im not happy with it, but i would never let a dog bite me/hurt me even tough i love him so much that just imposible for me. thats why im asking here for advice to avoid this happening again.
i always gave my dog a good home, and a good life. always took good care of him and i was never cruel/violent to him. thats why im very woried and i don't wish for this to ever happen again.
Well there are a lot of really good experienced people here to help...if you do a search for food aggression a few really good posts should come up. I would start there and see if any of it fits what happened to you.
Then sorry for my english and the way it sounded, LET ME RE-EXPLAIN IT SO I DONT SOUND LIKE A DOG-HITTING-AGGRESSIVE-UNORMAL-ALCOHOLIC.
The dog growled and instantly BITED my hand. as he bited my hand, out of instinct i punched him in the face and he sliped down on the floor with the hit. as SOON AS HE slipped down on the floor he QUICKLY WOKE up and run away hiding under the bed.
i hope i explained carefully and good english now. sorry again for the misunderstanding. the dog never got knocked out unconciously.
Drunk or not drunk you should never hit anything. Not another human, not an animal. I am not a big drinker, I have been drunk maybe 3 times. During those times I never laid a hand on anyone or anything. I'm sure the way you were acting made your dog feel uncomfortable and he acted out in a way to protect himself.
My dog is not food aggressive and I can pet him while he eats and I know he'd let me stick my hand in his bowl but why would I do that? He's eating, he's clearly hungry, why would I mess with his food, I would not want someone sticking their hand in my food.
Ok - let's pretend the OP didn't throw a George Foreman punch that knocked out his dog. Let's pretend that the OP is having a hard time explaining what happened due to his broken English.
Could your dog sense that under the influeance of alchol you are no longer considered the leader of the pack? Do you find that your dog no longer behaves in his normal 'friendly' way only when you are drunk? Could there be a chance that YOU precieve your dog being aggressive incorrectly when you are drunk? Perhaps your dog thought that when you pointed to his bowl, you were beginning a game of wrestle mania and he responded in the like? How bad was the bite?
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