My dog is not respectful of "personal space".

Myra · 08-23-2009, 11:23 AM

<span style="color: #3366FF"> </span> My 10 month old has had training, knows all the come,heel,sit,down,off,drop it commands. On leash she is okay until she sees another person or any kind of animal - she begins to pull and does not heed to command - there have been a few biting/growling matches with other dogs walking by. She is currently using a Martingale. Our trainer suggested using a "shock collar!". Looking to get some other opinions.

aubie · 08-23-2009, 11:27 AM

Is it exciteable "I WANT to PLAY with the puppy!!" behavior or aggressive?

If you see another dog coming, you can put her in a sit and work on her focusing on you.

Jax08 · 08-23-2009, 11:35 AM

a shock collar for that? I would suggest a prong collar for the next step up maybe if you can't get results with what Aubie said.

Work on the Leave It command. That works well with Jax and brings her focus back to me or at least she will look but knows not to touch.

Brightelf · 08-23-2009, 11:39 AM

Hey, I've got one of those!

Seriously, this is eager-enthusiastic. It seems scary when there may be a growl or so, but that's oftentimes "barrier frustration": She's possibly thinking "Hey! 'Nother doggie over there! I wanna come PLAY wiff you! Right NOW! Yipiee- ! Huh? Wha? I'm on a leash so I can't?? AAARRGGHHHH!!!! Tannntrummmm-city, here I come!"

Absolutely ask for a sit and focus when you see another dog. or a down! Give her a job, so she will anticipate this when a dog comes along on walks. Bring treats or a toy, whatever her fave reward may be. Work on the "focus" part of this at home, when there are no distractions or other dogs around, in your quiet livingroom.

Hang in there,

10 months is a reeeeally distractable, excitable age! It will ideally get better.

You will need to work with her a bit, but this hopefully will get better with work and maturity. Also, 10 months is adolesence, a very teenagery age, where they pretend they forget all they have learned, have selective deafness, and, like, are waaayyy too cool to,

like, you know, listen to Mom.

I've got one of those! Hang in there!

zyppi · 08-23-2009, 12:02 PM

Get a prong collar and make sure you fit it correctly. Here's a link that shows how they should fit - snug!
http://leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm

Then, let me add, a dog will pull on any collar, the trick with a prong is to anticipate or upon first tug, give a quick, slight jerk - a quick flick of your wrist will do it. It will get your dogs attention without causing more than momentary discomfort.

The other thing that helps is a quick flick and then reverse direction. Redirects the dog's attention to you and your movements.

**Amaruq** · 08-23-2009, 12:06 PM

I would do a simple about face with the collar you currently use until her attention is back on you. About face and walk briskly to disengage her brain and then when she is calm turn back around the direction you were going in (towards the dog/people). Once she looses her focus turn back around. It is a dizzying method but she learns that to go forward she has to focus on YOU not her surroundings. No need IMO for a shock collar or a pinch. I would also give her a verbal cue that you are changing directions at first like "lets go" or something instead of just turning and jerking her.

Brightelf · 08-23-2009, 12:34 PM

I agree totally with Ruq! This is not about getting a tougher tool, but about using a method to communicate with her and change her anticipation of what will follow in this situation.

Catu · 08-23-2009, 12:44 PM

To add to Ruq words, which I believe there is the best methods in this circumtances. If you are not really sur of what you are doing with the pinch collar you can make excitation into agression, frustration into "I feel pain every time I see a dog". Amaruqs methos will not give your dog an useful lesson in all circumstances, but also has no side effects.

GSD07 · 08-23-2009, 12:55 PM

When Anton was very reactive on walks I used a wide agitation collar and did exactly what Ruq described. Tell me about being dizzy from turning around LOL A prong collar was hyping him up to no end, I don't even think it was considered a correction but just the opposite, encouragement.

I still like to use the agitation collar and 'turn around' is a valid command in our walk vocabulary.

LouCastle · 08-25-2009, 11:56 PM

I’m not sure what this issue has to do with "personal space." I'm also not sure why a dog must constantly pay attention to its handler when distractions show up. I do know that the Ecollar is a great tool to get a dog to do simple, reliable OB. I highly recommend them used per my articles HERE.

08-23-2009, 11:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
Myra New Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 7	My dog is not respectful of "personal space". <span style="color: #3366FF"> </span> My 10 month old has had training, knows all the come,heel,sit,down,off,drop it commands. On leash she is okay until she sees another person or any kind of animal - she begins to pull and does not heed to command - there have been a few biting/growling matches with other dogs walking by. She is currently using a Martingale. Our trainer suggested using a "shock collar!". Looking to get some other opinions. __________________ Owner of 'Myra', a beautiful GSD/2 cats - 'Spanky' (Orange Tabby) & 'Little Cat' (Hemmingway). Mommy to 2 kids and a husband. http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/a..._2009/Myra.jpg

08-23-2009, 11:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
aubie Crowned Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,992	Re: My dog is not respectful of "personal space". Is it exciteable "I WANT to PLAY with the puppy!!" behavior or aggressive? If you see another dog coming, you can put her in a sit and work on her focusing on you. __________________ Anna's Dog Blog Rocks! Tiffany; mom to: Annabelle "the Diva"- GSD born 9/21/08 Duncan- Shep Mix adopted on 2/14/00 TDI The kitty amigos: Simon, Alley and Mia

08-23-2009, 11:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 14,313	Re: My dog is not respectful of "personal space". a shock collar for that? I would suggest a prong collar for the next step up maybe if you can't get results with what Aubie said. Work on the Leave It command. That works well with Jax and brings her focus back to me or at least she will look but knows not to touch. __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

08-23-2009, 11:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
Brightelf Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 9,357	Re: My dog is not respectful of "personal space". Hey, I've got one of those! Seriously, this is eager-enthusiastic. It seems scary when there may be a growl or so, but that's oftentimes "barrier frustration": She's possibly thinking "Hey! 'Nother doggie over there! I wanna come PLAY wiff you! Right NOW! Yipiee- ! Huh? Wha? I'm on a leash so I can't?? AAARRGGHHHH!!!! Tannntrummmm-city, here I come!" Absolutely ask for a sit and focus when you see another dog. or a down! Give her a job, so she will anticipate this when a dog comes along on walks. Bring treats or a toy, whatever her fave reward may be. Work on the "focus" part of this at home, when there are no distractions or other dogs around, in your quiet livingroom. Hang in there, 10 months is a reeeeally distractable, excitable age! It will ideally get better. You will need to work with her a bit, but this hopefully will get better with work and maturity. Also, 10 months is adolesence, a very teenagery age, where they pretend they forget all they have learned, have selective deafness, and, like, are waaayyy too cool to, like, you know, listen to Mom. I've got one of those! Hang in there! __________________ Patti Frauchen von: Grimm van den Heuvel, aka "The Doofinator" My strong-minded, very loving boy

08-23-2009, 12:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
zyppi Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Back home to Louisiana! Posts: 4,940	Re: My dog is not respectful of "personal space". Get a prong collar and make sure you fit it correctly. Here's a link that shows how they should fit - snug! http://leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm Then, let me add, a dog will pull on any collar, the trick with a prong is to anticipate or upon first tug, give a quick, slight jerk - a quick flick of your wrist will do it. It will get your dogs attention without causing more than momentary discomfort. The other thing that helps is a quick flick and then reverse direction. Redirects the dog's attention to you and your movements. __________________ Anne Nothing is as simple as it seems or as complicated as we make it~ Attitude is everything -- Pick a good one! Sofie AKA Ussina vom Haus Brezel Jack von Jagenstadt Tatty - Burmese bad cat

08-23-2009, 12:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Amaruq Moderator who has gone to the dogs Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Where I don't wanna be-NW PA Posts: 14,645	Re: My dog is not respectful of "personal space". I would do a simple about face with the collar you currently use until her attention is back on you. About face and walk briskly to disengage her brain and then when she is calm turn back around the direction you were going in (towards the dog/people). Once she looses her focus turn back around. It is a dizzying method but she learns that to go forward she has to focus on YOU not her surroundings. No need IMO for a shock collar or a pinch. I would also give her a verbal cue that you are changing directions at first like "lets go" or something instead of just turning and jerking her. __________________ Ruq Paq Lakota, Chimo, Tika, Rayne, Kanuck, Jethro and Keyzah My Angels forever in my heart and watching over us: Phoenix 9/07 Kaylee Cheyenne 5/09

08-23-2009, 12:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
Brightelf Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 9,357	Re: My dog is not respectful of "personal space". I agree totally with Ruq! This is not about getting a tougher tool, but about using a method to communicate with her and change her anticipation of what will follow in this situation. __________________ Patti Frauchen von: Grimm van den Heuvel, aka "The Doofinator" My strong-minded, very loving boy

08-23-2009, 12:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
Catu Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Valdivia, Chile Posts: 4,269	Re: My dog is not respectful of "personal space". To add to Ruq words, which I believe there is the best methods in this circumtances. If you are not really sur of what you are doing with the pinch collar you can make excitation into agression, frustration into "I feel pain every time I see a dog". Amaruqs methos will not give your dog an useful lesson in all circumstances, but also has no side effects. __________________ "The dog does not need to be deranked so much as the people need to learn to act like people worth listening to" Suzanne Clothier. Diabla, my Daemon; SchH A, RH-T A Akela, my Direwolf; Work in Progress Bagheera, Long term puppy host

08-23-2009, 12:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
GSD07 Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,763	Re: My dog is not respectful of "personal space". When Anton was very reactive on walks I used a wide agitation collar and did exactly what Ruq described. Tell me about being dizzy from turning around LOL A prong collar was hyping him up to no end, I don't even think it was considered a correction but just the opposite, encouragement. I still like to use the agitation collar and 'turn around' is a valid command in our walk vocabulary. __________________

08-25-2009, 11:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
LouCastle Master Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 691	Re: My dog is not respectful of "personal space". I’m not sure what this issue has to do with "personal space." I'm also not sure why a dog must constantly pay attention to its handler when distractions show up. I do know that the Ecollar is a great tool to get a dog to do simple, reliable OB. I highly recommend them used per my articles HERE. __________________ Regards, Lou Castle, Los Angeles, CA uncllou@aol.com www.loucastle.com

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