I'm sick of seeing that debate. I've seen too many e-collars used sloppy and as a crutch for not training. 'Gonna zap him' is easier than teaching the 1 y/o dog not to bite the 8 week old puppy because that's what Mistress wants. Or gonna zap her because she barks when we leave her out in the yard all day. All that leaves a bad impression with me. I don't want to get lumped in with all the other pet owners looking for the easy way out. For people who are serious about learning the theory, have at it.
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