never felt the need for a pp gsd. but i can assure you, no one would have messed with my wife and daughters when running on trails with my wife and daughter. kyra put a drunk kid down so fast when hassling my daughter so fast it was scary. had her mouth on this guys throat yet did not leave a mark. daughter called kyra to come and this guy took off very quickly. imho, this is what a gsd is all about. not trained for this, just bonded to her family. a pp trained gsd is like a loaded gun an not for the average family owner.