Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan
I didn't read your entire post. I stopped after the first two paragraphs.
I love shock collars as a training tool and have used them for some very rough cases. I hate your views on them, though, and do not think you use them safely whatsoever and would never trust someone with your views to train a dog.
Danielle, owner of...
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