The what if he isn't hungry fallacy is the same thing the anti E collar people say about what happens if he isn't wearing the collar? What happens when you aren't around to give the ecollar blast? It is the same thing. A strong reinforced behavior is the same regardless of whether it came from a negative reinforcement or a positive reinforcement. You don't allow no supervision till you have a strong consistent behavior. It has been scientifically proven over and over again +R leads to faster learning and stronger behaviors.
Not judging whether it is better to use one or the other here. Just saying they both work (on most dogs) when done right. Pain is motivating. No doubt about it, but so is hunger.
Last edited by Baillif; 12-07-2013 at 06:56 AM.