Originally Posted by Merciel
I'm not 100% clear on what you're asking, but if I can figure it out I'll do my best to help.
Are you asking how to get a dog to go from Front to Heel via left finish? i.e., something like this:
Canine Potentials - You Can Train Your Dog - YouTube
IMO the fastest/easiest way to do that without a ton of foundational work is via hand target or food luring like what's shown on that clip. Doing that big step with your foot is also helpful for many dogs because they can follow your movement to get into Heel, but for competition purposes you'd want to fade that out (a lot of trainers don't even teach it that way in the beginning to avoid needing to fade it out later).
For holding an object, I usually clicker shape for the initial hold and then for duration. That one can take a long time if you have a dog who doesn't like holding things (like, oh, both of mine...) but with patience and practice it'll come together.
My dog is not clicker trained :/ and i'd like to keep it this way, i have nothing against clickers i just don't feel like using one.
Originally Posted by marbury
Totally new to schutzund, but in regular ol' obedience training the only way I've found to consistently get my training dogs to grasp the swing around from 'here' to 'heel' is to teach 'pivot on an object'. We use one of those little exercise step-up platforms from the eighties (there's always one at Goodwill!) and they learn paws-on first, then how to leave their paws on and turn their butt. Then turning to heel. Then I just take away the little platform and have them pivot on a spot. Then... 'heel' from 'here'.
As for hold... I have retarded dogs that cannot seem to grasp the concept (get it?! HAH!). The minute I learn the foolproof trick to getting them to keep it in their mouth for more than a split second I'll let you know! :P
AW you're right !!! i totally forgot about the platform concept thanks