Most people who comment on Havs mention that he isn't terribly sloped. I know that when I've attended AKC conformation shows in the PNW the there stilll seem to be a lot of dogs with the very extreme slope--a lot of nerve bags too. It's part of what influenced my decision about where to purchase my pup.
(Through this forum, I've found some great breeders in this region. I just didn't find them through the scant number of shows that I attended.)
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