[Lauri & The Gang]

Originally Posted by pac liter

Some people think that the entire world should adopt their solution, just because it worked for their situation. Their solution conforms to their views of the world/mother-nature and makes them feel good about themselves.

No. I just happen to think that a person should start with the LEAST aversive method of training when working with a dog.

It might not work but it sure won't HURT anything (like the dog).

Originally Posted by pac liter

They resort to name calling if somebody has different results or disagrees.

No. I said their vet was an idiot because they WERE an idiot. I will retract my comment if they tell me that the vet has a degree in animal behavior AND spent at least a couple hours observing their dog IN the environment where the reactions occur.

Originally Posted by pac liter

They feel so stronly self righteous, they believe they can resolve any dog aggression issues over the internet.

No. I gave a method of WORKING with the dog - not curing it. I don't think anyone here ever claimed "THIS will cure your dog of their aggression."

Originally Posted by pac liter

After all they have owned 10 family pet dogs in their life time; they must know everything about dogs.

Actually, many of the people on this board are VERY 'advanced' dog owners. Some that train dogs for LEO, some that breed and train for Schutzund or SAR.

Originally Posted by pac liter

If you have a red zone aggressive dogo argentino that has tasted blood and prefers it to anything on earth, simply redirect their aggression with praise/play/ and food. It will work 100% and they will eventually be safe around new bornes.

So far NONE of the examples posted in this thread were THAT bad.

If anyone had a dog like the one you described and they had been to a qualified behaviorist AND followed their protocol and still had issues - I would either suggest never taking the dog off their own property and never allowing anyone to come onto their property OR I would advise euthanizing the dog.

Originally Posted by pac liter

After all man created the problem and only pure positive training can correct it.

No-one here said that ONLY positive methods would fix the problem.

But why start with a sledgehammer when a regular old hammer might just do the job as well? And it will not cause any more problems if it doesn't and you DO need the sledgehammer. What have you wasted? Just a bit of your time.

Originally Posted by pac liter

Now all joking aside, what if it doesn't work? Pure positive rhetoric will only carry you so far, especially when a dog is headed for an early departure. I think most sensible dog owners would prefer this approach. Problem is that it is not effective for every situation.

No, it's not 100% guaranteed to work for all dogs. But it doesn't hurt to try it first.

If someone tried the method I suggested, TRULY tried it and it failed - I would then suggest they get a qualified behaviorist to observe them and their dog to determine what WOULD work.

Originally Posted by pac liter

Everybody jumped on the guy's vet, for the chin slap technique, when it worked.

I will never EVER advise anyone for ANY reason to use their hands on their dog for anything punitive. Dogs should never have to FEAR the human hand - period.

Originally Posted by pac liter

What he tried pure positive redirection and it didn't work. Should he just have put his dog to sleep?

Actually - he never mentioned WHAT he tried before taking his vets advise (other than collar corrections).