I've read this whole thread and what I'm seeing is that the 2 sides are talking about different things.
Doc and the others in favor of "old-fashioned" or over-sized dogs are talking mainly about dogs that are out of standard, but only a little. Dogs that many people on the other side agree aren't a problem.
The "anti-big" side is talking out against breeders who are selling dogs that are over 30" tall, 100+ lbs (some sites have them at 140!!). Dogs that even the "old-fashioned" fans say are too big.
So why are you even arguing unless it's for the sake of arguing? It seems that both sides are so entrenched they don't see that they are against the same thing. And that is breeders whose only goal is to breed a BIG dog because, in America, people believe that bigger is better.
Just last week, a guy was wanting to breed Freya with his male at home which, he claims, is 180 lbs!
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