[LouCastle]

Originally Posted by selzer

You win Lou, I am a close-minded ignorant hypocrit who will not use an e-collar or suggest their use to anyone else.

"Closed minded?" – Can you show us where you've changed your mind or learned anything new in this discussion.

"Ignorant?" – I asked a very simple question, "your dog is not obeying your command to recall and he's running towards a busy street. What do you do?" You pretended to answer but really did not. When I rephrased the question, you avoided it.

You made the claim that "dogs seem to be hypersensitive to electricity." When asked for support for that statement, you did not supply any.

You made the claim that someone had said that an Ecollar "is the only humane way to train." I asked for a link to such a statement (I don't believe that anyone has said this) and you did not supply it.

You want to dumb down any breed of dog that can't be trained with your methods. Ignoring the fact that it's your methods that are at fault, rather than the dog.

You think that the answer to some chasing issues is management and we all know that management will always break down, putting the dog at risk.

You think that there is pressure on you to "convert" to using an Ecollar.

You pretend (in spite of claiming to be an "electrical engineer") that because your charged fence uses solar power to keep its batteries charged that it somehow has less power than a charged fence that uses AC power to keep its batteries charged.

You think that because YOUR dogs are trained that no one else should use an Ecollar.

You compare a stun gun to a charged fence.

You claim that I've said that your dogs are not trained, but when challenged, can not provide ANY instance of me saying it.

"Hypocrite?" – You decry Ecollars but use a charged fence that is more than half–a–million–times more powerful.

I've not called you any of these names. I have said that you show these symptoms. But if the shoes fit …